EP 11 The Edge of Liminality: Turning Survival into Service with Rae Cyr
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EP11 The Edge of Liminality: Turning Survival into Service with Rae Cyr
What happens when the impossible doesn’t just happen to you—but leaves witnesses?
In this episode of Made for This, Laurel sits down with psychic medium, author, trauma coach, and Sunshine Seer founder Rae Cyr to trace a life lived at the edge of liminality.
Born blue and placed in an oxygen chamber, Rae entered the world already hovering between life and death. From hearing spirits call her name in a centuries-old home to experiencing a premonition of her father’s death, being physically defended by an unseen presence, and leaving an echo of herself behind at the scene of a devastating car accident, Rae’s spiritual gifts have never existed solely in theory.
Using Laurel’s Developmental Age Method, they follow the formative plot points embedded in Rae’s birth chart—including Ceres and Pluto in Scorpio, her Aries Sun, Mercury in Aries, and Chiron in Cancer—and uncover how consistently her chart reflects the experiences that shaped her.
Content note: This conversation includes discussions of childhood loss, domestic violence, substance misuse, near-death experiences, physical assault, and a serious car accident. Please listen with care.
Together, they explore:
What it means to live and receive information outside ordinary time
The moment Rae’s spiritual experiences became physically undeniable
How an intuitive warning helped Rae survive a catastrophic car accident
Why her friend continued hearing Rae’s voice after Rae had been removed from the car
The relationship between trauma, psychic perception, and practical problem-solving
How Rae became a safe place for people navigating stories others struggle to hold
Why her hardest experiences now inform her advocacy, teaching, spiritual work, and game development
How survival becomes service when the wound shows you which problem you’re here to solve
Rae’s story is living proof that the chapters that nearly take you out can become the exact experiences that prepare you to help someone else find their way through.
Connect with Rae, explore her consultations, community, books, upcoming events, and follow the development of her metaphysically accurate divination game, Sunnyvale, at sunshineseer.org.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Meet Rae Cyr: Psychic Medium & Sunshine Seer
02:36 Building an Educational Tarot & Magic Video Game
05:03 The Developmental Age Method: Reading Rae's Early Chart
07:22 Childhood Memories of Spirits & the Unseen
09:19 How Early Trauma Shapes Spiritual Development
11:49 Using Astrology to Understand Life's Hardest Chapters
14:20 Growing Up Psychic in a Religious Household
17:06 Connecting Lived Experience to Spiritual Gifts
19:29 Liminal Space, Existence & Spiritual Awakening
25:55 A Childhood Premonition of Her Father's Death
27:55 Navigating Grief, Loss & Early Responsibility
31:34 Chiron Reframed: Skill-Building, Not Wound
33:28 Transformative Presence & the Work of Healing
41:58 Confronting Abuse & Getting Spiritually Validated
53:22 Turning Twenty: Growth Through New Challenges
53:49 The Car Accident That Changed Everything
58:53 An Astral Connection Beyond the Physical
01:04:33 Venus, Relationships & Transformation
01:06:35 Facing Danger & Choosing the Path of Least Harm
01:12:51 Full Circle: Healing Herself, Helping Others
ABOUT RAE CYR
Rae Cyr is a psychic medium, certified trauma coach, and the founder of Sunshine Seer LLC, where she offers readings, consultations, and spellwork to help people move past limiting beliefs and align with their desired reality. She's the author of the upcoming book Wellness Is a Witch and is developing an educational tarot and divination video game (referred to in-episode as "Sunvale" — confirm exact title), designed to teach real metaphysical skills through play. She also serves on the board of the Connecticut Welcoming Pagan Network.
Website: sunshineseer.org
Threads & Instagram: @sunshine.seer
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Laurel Kassor (00:12)
Welcome to Orbit Seekers. This is episode 11 of Made for This with Laurel Kassor, the podcast where soul-led practitioners, educators, and creatives come together to connect the constellations of how astrology turns from abstract insight to real-world impact when you follow your soul's arc
I'm Laurel Kassor, your Astro Oracle host and the founder of Soul ARC Astrology. And today I am so excited to sit down with the Sunshine Seer herself, Rae Cyr Rae has an Aries sun, Gemini moon, and a Scorpio rising, and she is the founder of Sunshine Seer LLC, a community and practice built around aligning with your desired reality, incorporating magic into everyday life, and destigmatizing the programming that keeps you in the broom closet in the
first place. Rae is a survivor, a builder, and a resource hub, and honestly, the perfect witch to have at the welcoming committee after your first spiritual awakening. Her story is one of those that makes it undeniable that the hardest chapters of your life don't determine where your story goes. Rae, thank you for being here, my gosh.
Sunshine Seer (01:19)
I'm excited to be here.
Laurel Kassor (01:21)
my gosh, I'm so excited to have you here. Rae, please tell us more about your work and what you do. I'm so excited to hear it right from you.
Sunshine Seer (01:33)
So I am a psychic medium. I offer different consultations for people to help them align with their desired reality. a lot of times limiting beliefs kind of hold them back from achieving their dreams. So I to help put them on track. I also have written several books. I have my most recent ebook is Wellness is a Witch, that should be in print relatively soon.
And I've been doing some app development and video game building lately as well.
Laurel Kassor (02:03)
my gosh, so many different trades. How did you find your way into the video game?
Sunshine Seer (02:09)
Teaching tarot and other esoteric arts for a very long time, and I noticed that most people's offerings are relatively the same in different forms. I wanted to
Laurel Kassor (02:18)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (02:18)
offer something unique and different, and I noticed that many witchy types of video games, they don't have accurate information, so why not bring the educational aspect into the fun space?
And you can learn something while you're playing a game. I just felt that would be family friendly. It would be it would really
definitely break down that stigma, right? Because it kind of takes the fear-based thinking out of things and makes them simpler and brings some joy to it.
Laurel Kassor (02:46)
and cute and fun and p even potentially bonding. I that it's for it's family friendly. It's giving me hooked on phonics but hooked on spell work.
Sunshine Seer (02:56)
I hope they get hooked on it. Not really. I mean, I I do enjoy most people have been, people that have played the prototype definitely spent some time on there learning there's people that have never learned known anything about tarot at all that had come out of the game learning something new. but for the most part, people have been going back to play more of it and
explore right now it has tarot. I will be building astrology and other divination forms into the game as well. So I think that overall it will be a really effective tool to kind of share what I wanted something where it would replicate my actual spiritual journey. When I walk out in public,
Laurel Kassor (03:35)
cool.
Sunshine Seer (03:36)
people come up to me with random conflicts they're going through. And so now as a little character you can walk out into your town
square and characters approach you with things that they're going through and you have the same divination tools that I have in real life that you can exercise, practice, and and use. So everything in the game is accurate metaphysically and you can replicate it in real life and it gives you legitimate skills as you play.
Laurel Kassor (04:04)
That's fucking so cool. It's giving a
Come be your friendly neighborhood witch, everyone. come learn how to be the friendly neighborhood witch. it's so cute. I love that. I cannot wait to learn more about your your story and see how creating this little avatar is an extension off of that journey. And so I know we mentioned already that you are an Aries sun, Gemini moon, and a Scorpio rising. But on this podcast, we don't just sit around and talk about your sun, moon, and rising sign. So I actually
Would love to take us on a trip into the past, to the beginnings of your origin, and use this technique that I to use. It's called the developmental age method. And the idea is that depending on where different planets fall in our birth chart.
We kind of have these plot point moments, as I to call them, or these formative moments that set our birth chart blueprint, or I to call the birth chart the soul syllabus that kind of set the lesson plans
into motion for our soul syllabus. And so I'm gonna take us to the first planet in your chart and
It ha it's Pluto and it's in Scorpio and it's in your first house as you are Scorpio rising. So this energy I'm about to describe, it could have happened very early in life. probably a little bit after your first birthday is about where it's falling in the chart. Now again, it's okay if this was a million and a half years. I mean, we're not we're not fucking ancients necessarily, but we weren't conscious. It's okay if you don't remember. It's okay if you're like, I don't know, I'd have to ask my parents, but we'll just move on to the next
Plot point, but this energy, remember, you would have had an infant's awareness level, right? So this energy would have been something that could have been scary, it could have been very intimidating, it could have felt life-threatening in some way, which to a baby, that's probably a lot of different variables there. this energy does have a direct connection to your moon.
So there is a possibility that mother directly plays into this somehow. and yeah, it makes some other placements too. But is there anything that comes to mind?
Sunshine Seer (06:14)
So f fun fact, I was born blue and I lived in an oxygen chamber for quite a while as an infant, which I did not recall until you brought this up, which is cool. so we have really early on themes of life and death and
Laurel Kassor (06:28)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (06:29)
things of that nature. But I've also for as long as I can remember been able to interact with things that other people may or may not be able to interact with. So
I have lot of early childhood memories of spirits and of
Laurel Kassor (06:45)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (06:46)
seeing things and some are friendly and some are not on a
Laurel Kassor (06:50)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (06:50)
wide scale. I was also born in a house that was built in the 1700s as well, so that already was occupied, if you know what I mean. there's a couple ingredients in that equation
Laurel Kassor (06:59)
Spoopy Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (07:03)
that kind of would make a lot of sense.
Laurel Kassor (07:06)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Being born blue is that's really interesting that you bring that up
Ceres is on the ascendant, and she does come before Pluto, but she can be really subtle. So I honestly should have just brought her up first. But Ceres is in Scorpio also. So
there is this life and death quality around Scorpio rising in general. around planets that are in Scorpio, it is an extreme energy. The
Pillar eight in my system, which is the alchemy, we call it Pillar Eight Alchemy, and it consists of Pluto and Scorpio and the eighth house and the waning quinks aspect. They all source from the same s source essence.
Of alchemy, of transmutation, of healing, of shadows, it is a very multifaceted energy. But when we have planets there, that means that inherently the themes associated, the experiences associated with those planets, have something to transform, they have something to heal, they have something to alchemize ultimately there. And so the fact that your Ceres, which has
To do with actualizing. She has to do with Taurus themes. In my system, Ceres is the planet associated with Pillar 2, which is anchor, the anchor pillar or the value pillar. And it's Taurus and the second house, and Ceres and the semi-sextile, but she has to do with the physical, tangible realities of literally anchoring.
To being and to earth and that which is dense and that which keeps us tethered in some way. And so for her to be right on your ascendant, right upon your arrival, and in a space that says, inherently we're gonna have to heal a relationship with the physical tangible realm, because entering it was life-threatening, is what I'm hearing there, right?
So this is really important for a couple of reasons and we'll let you talk more about the story.
But when I brought up that Pluto, I think it made you think of like, the early childhood spirits, because those are probably the memories associated with that. But the turning blue is associated with this energy here and this energy
here also imprinted onto your body because we're fucking not conscious. We have no
Sophisticated intelligence behind us at fucking birth, right? We're all body, we're all feeling, we're all trauma, right? Right then and there. it is activating a tense position, a tense square to your Jupiter. So our belief about existing, which is Jupiter, Jupiter and Leo, our belief about like, hello, I'm valid for being here, hi.
was challenged at birth right away and the square to Saturn in Aquarius also created this challenge and it was
This energy of like, man, surviving is hard. actualizing is really fucking hard here, actually. I have to work really hard. that this is really limiting. I mean, you were in a box. I mean, not a box, but an incubator, right? Like, hello. So there's a little bit of that there. And then this energy was also opposite your Venus too. And so creates this otherness, this awareness of other and
there's a lot we can say and I'm sure that we'll be able to unpack more of what that aspect has meant for you over the course of your lifetime. I don't want to poke too hard at infant literally being born, Rae, for too long. So let me ask before I scoot this back to Pluto, how is some of that landing with you?
Sunshine Seer (10:44)
So obvious you're always on point, first of all. But second of all, there this is a theme that's been ongoing. it's repetitive. there's definitely been a lot of Jupiter Leo versus Taurus Venus energy throughout my life. and and it's interesting how that has contributed to my development and and what I've built overall.
Laurel Kassor (11:09)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (11:09)
I know that my current work focus my current work only exists because I persisted in spite, because I've experienced all of these things and then transmuted them. so I'm I in many ways I'm a living example of the magic I practice, which is one of my favorite parts about being me.
Laurel Kassor (11:30)
Bitch, I love that you said all that. I love that you said all that so much we do share Ceres on the ascendant.
We both have this. So the fact that you were like, Yeah, I feel I'm a very much a living embodiment of my work. we actually both share Jupiter, Square Ceres, Ceres, Square Saturn, Saturn, opposite Jupiter.
we share that exact aspect. So everything you just said, I was like, fucking yeah, dude, say it louder, louder. Get on that fucking soapbox That's right. the embodiment of your work.
bit is Ceres making the square to Saturn and having had to work really, really hard to construct something material, something tangible, and do that in in spite, a knowing that there is some a belief of in of inherent like, I'm gonna be rejected from the world, ejected from the world if if this isn't
validated in somehow, you know? It's almost again, this life or death quality to some of this energy. So that's just so interesting. And you immediately made that connection right back to being born in the circumstances that you were literally born into and the ways that that would have infiltrated at the body level. And that's the important thing I want to say about Ceres. At the body cellular level, the physical rhythms of life
Imprinted incredibly the first imprint you ever had was this terror. Hello, Scorpio energy. Like, hello, the restriction. Hello, it's the too muchness. And then hello, the the you know, the loneliness. is what the Venus, the opposite, the Venus opposition, right?
And how that and how you stayed anyway, and not only stayed, which is again that Ceres, being fucking stubborn, because in my system, Ceres is the planet of all those torn things, right? But stubbornly, I'm gonna fucking overcome, which is this it for you, the Scorpio parts. I'm gonna embody this transformation from is she even gonna live to thriving, right? So
I'm moved. I'm moved already. Okay. thank you for that. I feel it in my solar plexus. You can tell because I'm dancing in my seat. Okay, so let's scoot forward to that Pluto moment again. Now that we we're able to actually narrow in on the Ceres energy itself. So you mentioned you remember starting to see spirits.
Young, can you walk us through any early memories in detail? anything stick out to you about either what you saw or how your family was reacting?
Sunshine Seer (13:56)
Okay, so my I grew up in a very religious household as well. So my I remember s some of my earliest childhood memories is they we were building an addition on the second floor and we had the beams, but we didn't have the floor in, and I was crawling on the beams with the cat because somebody was like, Come here. so I remember and that was where the attic was before. So I remember
I shouldn't have been able to balance on that beam six feet above the the room do you know what I'm trying to picture?
Laurel Kassor (14:28)
When you say I just wanna backtrack one second. When you say someone said come here, do you mean a spirit? Okay. Okay, just
Sunshine Seer (14:33)
yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So
Laurel Kassor (14:36)
sure.
Sunshine Seer (14:36)
yes. So there was there was something, someone calling me in that direction. And I remember toddler balance beaming this probably between two or three, maybe. This is the
Laurel Kassor (14:47)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (14:48)
earliest, but I had the cat with me that was walking behind me. and and I don't I don't remember if my parents call I assume my parents intervened.
But the the piece of the memory that sticks is me walking on the beams above the living room and looking down from the ceiling of the living room because it wasn't built yet. I should not have been on a construction site, but something
Laurel Kassor (15:07)
No.
Sunshine Seer (15:08)
was beckoning me over that way. That's one of them. I also remember throughout my childhood repeatedly, I would have recurring dreams that had there were three dreams I had total throughout my childhood over on a loop.
Laurel Kassor (15:20)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (15:22)
one of them does involve.
me as a child walking through the woods, stumbling upon this big block of ice, and there's a child that looks just me, frozen inside. And I pick at her throughout the night. And when she comes out of the ice, she's a witch. She's the old storybook witch. So that was something that was really symbolic in dreams that occurred throughout my childhood spiritually. And then the third one that I remember is frequently be my name being called. So my mom, we
Laurel Kassor (15:49)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (15:49)
had a two story house. She would she'd be in the living room. She'd be like, Rachel
And call me downstairs. And I but sometimes I would be in trouble if it was late at night, for coming downstairs, because that was grown-up
Laurel Kassor (15:58)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (15:59)
time. so I remember being called and coming and showing should be like, No, I didn't call you, don't make things up, go back to bed. And
Laurel Kassor (16:05)
Mm.
Sunshine Seer (16:06)
so this happened so frequently, and my brother would also hear, Hey, somebody's calling you, and I'd be like, Okay, I'll go downstairs. Like, I don't want to be in trouble, but I heard my name.
to the degree of which it was so frequent, I ended up asking my pastor about it, and I got two responses from the church. The first one was that God called David. so there are anomalies in the Bible where spirits call a person's name. The second one, of course, was that I had demonic possession, needed to be cleansed and baptized. And so
there's a lot of fear kind of built in around these spiritual experiences,
Laurel Kassor (16:40)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (16:41)
just because those that I sought who should know the answers to these questions, were afraid of this themselves.
Laurel Kassor (16:49)
Mm mm.
Sunshine Seer (16:50)
and so my spiritual gifts over my life have been the source for a lot of different conflicts. But those are the three top childhood memories I have of
there's something else when around the time I was 10 years old that I don't think we're at that part in the chart yet. But but it's just
I have had these relationships with energy that other people have witnessed, right? My brother heard them calling my name too. So it wasn't just me. yeah. it was
Laurel Kassor (17:14)
he could hear them too? so they were very loud.
Sunshine Seer (17:18)
yes. so the house when we moved out, we found rocking chairs and and school books in the in the bound leather.
straps and we just we donate
Laurel Kassor (17:27)
okay, yeah.
Sunshine Seer (17:28)
a bunch to the historical society of that town. But this this house was definitely occupied by other children from the attic from where I heard my name being called. So that's that's just
Laurel Kassor (17:39)
my gosh, bro. Sorry to cut in.
Sunshine Seer (17:42)
three to five right there for ya.
Laurel Kassor (17:44)
No, okay, so what's so fascinating about that and actually it totally connects to this Pluto that we're kind of back at right now. And it expands into basically into the next formative moment, which is really interesting because you're describing the age span that is finger quotes blank, aka there's just no planet sitting there.
In that span of time you you named. But something that was that just popped out at me about to tie this back to the birth. Because again, remember the chart never happens in isolation, even if we are looking at one feature of it, there's still stuff happening in the background all of the time, is Ceres can represent objects. So back to this planet that we started with that kind of started to
pop up off of your grand cross. It's called a grand cross, this aspect pattern that you have. but it can represent objects and it's in Scorpio and Scorpio is haunted, haunted haunted energy. And so it's like, my gosh, you not just being in possession, which is another Saras thing, possession of haunted finger quotes or occult or scary or spooky objects.
But you literally almost died yourself you came out blue, possibly dead alive. alive dead, hovering in the border land there, which almost makes you yourself an embodiment of again, finger quotes here, but a haunted object, but in the badass witchy way. does that make sense? Do you feel what I'm saying?
Sunshine Seer (19:12)
Absolutely. And
it it does make sense. And then that theme can I've I've had the immediate the immediate number is three or four, but I've had multiple near death experiences throughout my life. this is not the first time that I've been on the edge of liminality and been like,
well,
Laurel Kassor (19:29)
Yes.
Sunshine Seer (19:30)
there's a bigger purpose here because this would have taken out anyone else at this point.
Laurel Kassor (19:35)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (19:36)
It's been a recurring theme.
Laurel Kassor (19:38)
I want to hear about them and we're gonna get there. I have a feeling we will naturally kind of organically get in there our ourselves. But like, yeah, that's so interesting. It is you are this anchor. I love that you said the edge of liminality. That might be the title of this episode, bitch. Woo, that was good. yes, the edge of liminality. It's Ceres, I look at it as an anchor, right? I think it's of a planet as an anchor. So it's you are the anchor holding down this, like, really.
transformative, cathartic, powerful essence on earth. you are a I mean I and again this is not to objectify you. I also have Ceres on the Ascendant, so and so know that when I say this, I mean it to be to myself as well. But it's you are this physical embodiment beacon almost
Thing and I and I also know that we all are, but hopefully you're picking up what I'm putting down there of this liminal energy of anchoring from the ethers into the solo individual-ness. And that is also on that Aries sun. anyway, scoot forward to the Pluto stuff. Your Pluto a the Pluto itself happens right after a year old, which makes me be like, that's probably one of our first of these
scaries experiences with spirit. and even if you don't remember what that exactly one was, these other ones that you do remember and you've shared, they fucking hit
the mark when your Pluto got activated, it set into motion the template the templating, the plot points that also s woke up your Neptune. Because Pluto and Neptune are in a sextile to each other. Your Neptune is conjunct Uranus in Capricorn. And so Uranus naturally gets scooped up into this energy as well. And so these energies are in your third house. This has to do with speaking, communicating.
To Pluto the dead, right? These energies It's a it's a waxing sextile from Pluto, which means Neptune and Uranus are in a pillar three house, the third house.
Making a pillar three aspect to Pluto, which is turning the dial up on interdimensional weird communication, you say, with the dead, maybe. Between the veils. Sure, yeah. Downloads too, why not? Throw them the fuck in. Like, but remember this energy found you at less than two years old, right? And then
found its way forward. This also would have activated a quincunx an opening what's called an opening quincunx which is a pillar six. So it has to do with refinement and the sixth house energy. And interestingly enough, it's Mercury in Aries in your sixth house is making a sixth aspect to Pluto, who was got who got activated
around these death or transformative or scary or w wounding experience early early. And so Mercury is the planet of Pillar Three. So again, we are having this echo, echo, echo of literally the pillar I call now as of now, I recently sh I recently switched up the names because I was called to. but I call it the echo pillar, literally. it is we got aspects involved, we got a planet involved, we got the house involved.
and your moon and your Mars are both in Gemini itself. and in the eighth house, connect it to Pluto's pillar eight. So again, there's this is this overlap, overlap, overlap of alchemy energy, meeting echo energy, and you being some sort of rounded anchor at the center.
Of it holding it down somehow. And so that energy got activated. And what that would have set up, that energy itself is about you gotta figure out how to make this fucking practical. If you're gonna talk to these dead things, if you're gonna talk to the spiritual energy, if you're going to transcend dimensions, and you're gonna go in spirals and circles and disrupt.
reality, you've gotta find a very practical, useful, functional way to apply this information. So that came online at that time. You were all again under two when that energy was first felt and experienced on some level. And then also your moon and your Mars both also came online then too. So your whole chart was getting activated basically then. And again your moon and Mars in the eighth house, I could go on, I will get them eventually, but
a more echo of this same theme that we're hearing quite clearly very early there. How does that feel for you? How's that landing for you?
Sunshine Seer (24:02)
It it's fun to hear astrological language that aligns with obviously a psychic medium. I'm very intuitive, right? So I get these vibes and these feelings, and I'm like, there's gonna be a theme of this in the woodworks. But I don't necessarily have the chart that I can look at and discern, like, this is there's gonna be this in the woodworks. Mine is just I can feel it out. So it's
Laurel Kassor (24:26)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (24:26)
very I
I love that you have these techniques of like, yeah, and this is aligned with this right now. So that's what you're sensing in the in the e ecosystem or whatever. so that's one of the things that really fascinates me about astrology is that while while as an intuitive I can feel the shifts and I'm like, there's a different theme happening. You can be like, sure, yeah, it's this this planet just moved into that space. So
Ha ha ha
Laurel Kassor (24:54)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. it's so fun. It's literally having subtitles for life. I swear to God.
I to joke and and say it's I and it's not even a joke actually. when I first got my big download and started chiseling away at Soul ARC Astrology, the system, it was I be I started to see astrology in five fucking D, dude. It was this ticker tape that just ran runs, still runs across the bottom of my view. Every time someone's talking, it's little lights are pinging across
This fucking thing I have inside of my head. But yeah, it's so cool to be able to connect all those dots. But also, I think it's really cool that you can just tap in so clearly too. that is a really unique skill.
So you had mentioned something around age 10.
There does look there was something around age ten. It also I will kinda say s seven looks an another p psychic y moment, but it's possible that seven is also part of these nightmares that you just named. and some of these other experiences that you just named, it's possible that's part of the roof thing as well,
it would be in the third house. So it's we're looking at Neptune, which is can be confusion, can be loss, can be grief. we're also looking at Uranus. This is about the six seven and is that period where it could be early school. Has something to do with thinking, logic, siblings, maybe there's other things. You're nodding, so let's hear it. Okay, let's hear it, baby.
Sunshine Seer (26:14)
Wait till you hear this one. Okay, so ten years
old. I I go to sleep, but I'm I'm not sleeping. I'm in my bed. I have a bunk bed next to the window. I'm looking out the window and it's dark out. My father usually parked his truck in the same space every day when he came home from work. Sometimes he came home after bedtime, so probably nine or ten PM or whatever. and he would park in the same spot. So at this particular time when I looked out the window, his car was not there. And I got hit in the face with this feeling that he was not alive.
his car should have been there. It was always there, but the grief hit me in the face. it was I felt shook. I felt overwhelmed with emotion. It was just like, wow, I just lost him. He's he's not alive. I climbed down from my bed. I ran into my parents' room. He was sleeping in the bed. He was okay. I checked on them. I went back to my room and I looked out the window
Laurel Kassor (27:03)
Gave me a heart attack.
Sunshine Seer (27:04)
and the car was there.
Laurel Kassor (27:05)
What?
Sunshine Seer (27:07)
The c the car was there. So there was a premonition moment because he ended up passing when I was eleven.
When he actually came, when it actually came to be, I was able to handle the burden of responsibility that I had to step up for because I had already processed the emotion. I already felt I'm gonna appreciate every moment now. I already experienced it already happening. So that whole extra year was just extra time I could buy.
so when it actually did occur, I wasn't really surprised, nor was I shaken off of my stability by it, unlike everyone else that I knew at the time. so I was kind of able to hold things down while other people were healing
because I had to already heal a year prior.
Laurel Kassor (27:59)
my god, whoa.
Okay.
Sunshine Seer (28:03)
Themes of life and death, my dear.
Laurel Kassor (28:05)
Dude, I'm saying, man. That is what we call in the game astrology good. I'm so sorry that that happened to the child within you. but wow, is that not represented in this energy right here? There are a couple of things that happen over the span of those years. so, that's that six, seven is this.
Dreamy loss sacrifice, unexpected and disruptive quality of Neptune and Uranus coming online. It's in Capricorn, which has a lot to do with it does have to do with authority. So if it can do that can be father. That's usually father pretty early, standardly speaking, generally speaking, right? So the sun can also represent father, though, too, and Leo things as well. But that
Communication again comes up as a central theme there. You know, this is the a disruptive dream that also sent you spiraling outside of time. honestly, when you first had said that the car was back, my first thought was that, you had s dimension hopped and hopped back. so to hear it was a dream, it's basically this, you know, to an extent, the the same thing. but not but.
Yeah, it was a early experience where existing outside of time, as I tend to call it, happened, right? And you had to prepare, which I look at as very much kind of a it's very earth-coded. It's very earth energy coded preparation. And I think depending on what kinds of preparation you're talking about, it can be very Chiron or very Saturn in nature. this is a little bit of both because
Neptune, Uranus are in Capricorn. So it has a pillar ten kind of authority rule.
Sunshine Seer (29:48)
Think the most jarring part of that recollection for me is that there was never a point of which I noticed the car was absent and opened my eyes and woke up to wake them up. So it
Laurel Kassor (30:03)
Hmm.
Sunshine Seer (30:04)
did not feel a dream, it felt a slip. it was yeah.
Laurel Kassor (30:09)
That's what it sounded as soon as you
described it to me, I sensed it. I I was surprised when you said it was a dream, because I was like, if I interpreted it, I just interpreted it as a slip. which is not you even my standard for interpreting events that. So maybe it was. You know, who are we to to con confirm? I mean, obviously you have since
Prepared those skills, which is exactly why I'm like, there's some pillar six involved. There's some other Earth energy involved. Your Neptune is in an opposition to Chiron. Chiron in my system is a planet that has to do with skill building and it has to do with fixing things and correcting things. And in that way, training and preparation. You know, it's not necessarily about having everything
Totally already achieved and accomplished. Chiron is really a whip into shape kind of energy. Like, let's you're doing it wrong, buddy. You gotta get your you technically sound here. and so what's interesting is, you know, commonly folks interpret Chiron as a wound planet, and what I find it to be is more of a problem-solving energy. Now
When we've spent our lifetimes of solving the same in essence, the same problem over and over and over and over and over again. Eventually we're like, why the fuck haven't I figured this out yet? But it's because it's a life skill. It's quite literally a lifelong skill that is being built and practiced and honed again and again. So that was one of the early times
that skill got activated and said, Hey baby, we're gonna need you to practice this, starting now. Like, and it's here's this vision. Here is this slip of time.
Here's this existing outside of time, which is very Neptune, it's very Uranus. Here's the thing about f folks you and I, and several of the people I've had on the podcast actually who have outer planets early in the experiential awareness and the experiential reality, were kind of thrown into the ethers of.
Of beyond the the the 3D at the beginning of our 3D. You know what I'm saying? And so these other planets get activated, but they get activated in a way where it's you're gonna have to figure out that this is a skill you have to have here. And so With the Chiron in Cancer, the skill is
Acceptance, belonging, com being able to emotionally secure, emotionally prepare. it is searching and diagnosing and assessing and tweaking and correcting the problem of belonging. What do I do with this information? Is one thing we could look at for you, right? because this is a connection from the ninth house to the third house, the
Outer planets are in your third, right? Which has to do with communication. It's the echo pillar, it's the communication pillar, right? And so that opposition is saying, hey, baby, here's a full ass look. You need to create a relationship with being able to assess and diagnose these individual tiny little baby parts of feelings that you're having. And that's that chiron and cancer, tweaking, tweaking, adjusting, saying practice feelings, practice feelings, practice accepting and creating a container and safety around how do you accept these beliefs?
interpretations, these understandings. You have to create a skill out of interpreting intuitive and emotional information. And it's gonna come from this, and the data is a a messy source. It's a messy source. It's Neptune, it's Uranus, and you
gotta figure out some structure around it. And so that's what just that just channeled through. So I would love to hear how that feels for you.
Sunshine Seer (33:36)
One of the interesting things that you said is the wound planet and the problem solving planet. And what I find in my philosophy is that's not two different things. The wound shows you where the problem is so that you can solve it. So I think that's really interesting.
Laurel Kassor (33:52)
your Pluto, which in my system is the wound planet, and your Chiron, which is the method planet, are having a very lovely conversation with each other where they're super supportive of one another and they easily are like, dude, we know how to do that. Just fucking do the thing. Yeah, it's it flows, dude. Just fucking do it, man. And so
They're seamless. they are so seamlessly working in tandem together that it's like, the the wound, we're gonna find a fucking way to diagnose the wound, man. we're gonna diagnose the wound and then we're gonna fix it. And then that's gonna make healing and that's gonna be empowerment. And then all suddenly there's a method to empowerment in our hands. Because and now, because of the connection, which is a trine, by the way, a waning trine. So it's a pillar nine, Jupiter.
Sagittarius, the ninth house, which is where Chiron is, and the waiting shrine, right? It's saying, and we're gonna teach it. We gotta teach it. Now that we have created this method, we have to educate the others and empower them.
Sunshine Seer (34:49)
I do think that when I apply what I've learned to other people's situations, it do there's also the transformative aura that I bring into any kind of place that I I cannot have a conversation with a person without them being affected or shifted in some way. whether they're triggered
Laurel Kassor (35:11)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (35:12)
and then they have to explore that trigger.
Or whether they feel blessed and they see things in a new perspective. In general, I have noticed a theme and a pattern and a trend of just my presence alone having a transformative impact on those around me. And so bringing the knowledge of like, hey, that the wound doesn't have to be debilitating. It's a signal of the the
I don't know, this is the surface level symptom of the wound that needs to be healed here so that you can learn that lesson because that's why it's present. And once the lesson is learned, you transcend it and it comes in different forms now. So you won't ever really experience that place where you got stuck anymore because you've already worked through it. so I think that the more times that I've been able to work with people and kind of reframe it, and it doesn't even have to be work. It could be I talk to somebody at the grocery store and
They share that they had a bad day and I'm like, okay, well, it sounds you learned something, and they walk away and they're like, my god, profound transformation. And so that's another thing that's been happening throughout my entire life. Or even it could be a negative trigger. They're real pissed off about me being present for some reason. Well, eventually they're going to learn something about themselves and how they view the word because of that interaction.
Laurel Kassor (36:30)
Ten and a half million percent.
My guy, a a billion. you're naming so many different features of your chart working in tandem together right now. Cause I said earlier, nothing happens in fucking isolation. So you name one thing, it starts to pull in the other things and go beep bop boop bop boop. But you're naming the pr the number one, the presence, your presence alone. That's what I was saying about Ceres. You just existing and being an anchor in the world anchors people to that. What's interesting is your Ceres is opposite your Venus. So there's that.
Mirroring quality because Venus is a planet of pillar seven, the attraction pillar or the polarity pillar. And there, what did you just name? Fucking polarity, right? Like, hello, right? So there's part of that. But then it's also pulling in this skill set thing because it does have to there it there is this connection to
It's one part one part of the chart touches the all parts of the chart light up. And so this Ceres energy to the Pluto is saying like, and you're gonna be even deeper transformed by this stuff I can't help.
But kind of out export, if you will. And that's in part because your Chiron in Cancer in the ninth house is conjunct your south node. and so that means it's not just reframe, it's kind of these solutions, these interpretation, these practical interpretations is how I want to frame it. Just kind of fall out of you. you're just like, I'm just fucking existing.
And making an observation, man. Like, I don't know, I don't know. And then people are like, whoa, you just changed my whole world. And it's like, like, just okay, neat. See ya. bye. You know? So it's interesting to see how it comes online in different ways, especially early. And that premature, we could say, loss of your father. What which is so fucking interesting too, because you were.
Because when you were born, you were prematurely lost also. and it lit up something to your Leo Jupiter about believing in existing and that being valid for existing. And then you had this dream where your father was lost before he was lost, right? And it's like, wait, do you exist or do you not? Do I exist? Do I not? Right? there's something and again with this edge of liminality. So there's something just really interesting in that in that to chew on and dig and po poke at a little bit more if you want to.
Sunshine Seer (38:46)
The first spell I ever did, right, before I even realized that spell work works, which I I should have given it more benefit of the doubt, was to it was to learn about how reality functions and time travels.
Laurel Kassor (38:59)
Casual
things. How you?
Sunshine Seer (39:00)
It was I want
the full existential experience. Show me what what what is the purpose of reality? How does reality work? And and show me about quantum physics, show me about time travel. That was the first spell ever. And of course, it it really spiraled into this whole metaphysical experience that ultimately flipped things into where I am now.
And I don't even know how conscious I was when I I was I remember drawing the sigil and putting the crystals together, but I was making an art project. And I was like, I'm making
Laurel Kassor (39:30)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (39:31)
an art project that has purpose and meaning. I didn't even know it was witchcraft at the time until a couple days later. I was like, that's how that's why the world spins. Wow, reality isn't what okay, whoa. And so
There that was my major download point. But there was a bunch of there were a bunch of you talk about Leo and Jupiter and almost almost a balance between do I belong here and why am I here? What's the purpose of even being here? Almost I don't want to call it depression, but almost to that degree of what's the point of life?
and then that was probably between I'll say fifteen to eighteen was the strongest period for that.
Laurel Kassor (40:17)
It actually looks exactly eighteen. Exactly
eighteen. Which is so perfect because you have naturally taken us to the next formative point, which is your son in Aries. And fun fact,
And so Aries is a pillar one sign. The pillar one is impact pillar. It has some Mars, it has the first house, it has the conjunction. So it is life, force, energy. And so when you're speaking about
existence to sh ja be being here at all. It's not just the validation, which is the le which is the sun part of it. i I mean it is because this is a sun in Aries. Hello. But
just isolated to Aries itself, a interesting feature of it is aliveness. And when Aries is out of whack, when Aries planets are deeply distressed or unintegrated or going through it and not in a healthy way. it is res it does respond to an unal a quality of unaliveness, which it does it does not mean suicide, but it does mean
spark is gone. Everything feels dull. it that qual the quality is that Ken in addition to the de the weight of depression, which is a Saturn thing that quality of questioning should I even be aware? should I even be an entity at all? what does that mean, you know? So that
is really tied up with a sun in Aries and that's actually just to to share, that's what brought me to astrology. I was at that low in my life where I like, who I used to have a spark. I used to have a a sense of self.
Where'd it go? Right. So anyway, just to set the stage around that. But yeah, what was going on at about 17 or 18? Because this activates not just
Jupiter and in a positive way. So ultimately
Sunshine Seer (42:02)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (42:02)
teaching us something very powerful, but it also activates Ceres. Back to Ceres,
Sunshine Seer (42:08)
Right.
Laurel Kassor (42:08)
back to the beginning. so it could have to do with possession. take it away, baby.
Sunshine Seer (42:13)
So, one of my most transformative moments, my most pivotal life experiences. around that time my mother started dating someone. That person took advantage because she was a vulnerable widow. and
Laurel Kassor (42:25)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (42:25)
they kind of played into those feelings and manipulated their way into our household. They were abusive in almost every sense of the word, not to trauma dump because this ultimately is a transformative transformational process.
Laurel Kassor (42:38)
This is a
this is a podcast about the human
Sunshine Seer (42:38)
Story, right? Okay.
Laurel Kassor (42:40)
experience. tell us your human experience.
Sunshine Seer (42:44)
So
him and I did not get along. Obviously I am very direct and ambitious and I I have my ways of doing things. Let me do that and we're we'll get along great. Try to impose your ways upon me and we'll have conflicts. so there was a couple and that and just just being a a young I wasn't even a woman yet, right? But there was this masculine presence that saw me that way. And so there was some kind of
Icky vibes around this person and he also drank. And so I remember Christmas around I think I was 17 for Christmas. And I had rearranged the living room so that we could have family time. So the furniture was facing each other, the chairs had this
Laurel Kassor (43:25)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (43:25)
cute little cozy around the fireplace. but he had been triggered by this because he wanted his recliner in the corner so he could watch the game. and I moved it so I could put the tree up. So he came in with a
He wanted to kill me. It was in his eyes. he wanted to I was he did not want me on the earth. my sister, I think, was around three at that time. She was born when I was 13, I believe. and so she was sitting in her high chair d having Cheerios or whatever, and he came in with a rage screaming. he I remember him yelling in my face so close I could feel the spit spray. And there was a we were
probably six to eight feet away from the fireplace at this point. There was a box of matches. My cat just typed hey, H-E-Y on my computer. So that's fun.
so there was a box of matches on the mantle of the fireplace that actually flew across the room and hit him in the face. He had
Laurel Kassor (44:20)
No fucking way, dude.
Sunshine Seer (44:22)
been teasing or bullying me about me saying, Hey, there's there's spirits around here.
There was multiple times of which knocking on walls. One time my mom had gone to put my sister back to bed and she's like, come here, it's bedtime, because my sister was up playing. And when she reached for my sister, it wasn't my sister. My sister was sleeping, she looked back, the kid is gone. So
Laurel Kassor (44:42)
Right.
Sunshine Seer (44:43)
I was like, Hey, there are things, there are things, there are things. You can't there are things. Hello. and most of my family was like, ha ha, you're seeing shit, or no, there's not, or if you pray hard enough, they'll go away.
So that was the response that I got around it. but the the spirits I saw were mostly children. I did not see the spirit that threw the matches, but at that moment in time, I was it was like, shit, there are things. and they did not like him screaming at me.
Laurel Kassor (45:12)
just to make sure I'm clarifying here in the psychological process, that was kind of the moment where things, even if you already kind of believed and knew and it was there, this was the one that anchored it to reality and was like, I've never been imagining this. This has been real the whole time and everything
Sunshine Seer (45:29)
Right. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (45:30)
that I suspected is actually happening, it was this moment. Hmm.
Sunshine Seer (45:34)
Yep. And it happened
in front of my whole family was in the living room trying to get him him to back up. So my mom was there, my brother was there, my little sister was in our high chair. Everybody was in the living room. And it just when it hit him in the face, everything just paused, a dramatic scene in a movie for a second, while his brain was like, Hold on, where d and and so in that break of time, I was given a I I was like, Okay, so I grabbed my sister and I locked and I ended up
locking my door and climbing out of my window with her. So I ended up taking care of her for this I was 16 when I when I kidnapped her. but I ended up taking care of her until my mother ended that relationship, so that I could bring her back into a safe house, but I would not come back and neither would she if he was still present. So that whole conflict moment around that Christmas tree
not only solidified for them that yeah, I he would p tie strings to doorknobs and be like, look, the door's moving. It's haunted. Uh-huh. And really to bully me about this. Yeah. And so
Laurel Kassor (46:33)
So he would make fun of you. Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (46:36)
in that second he was like, fuck, maybe I shouldn't bully her about this. And then for the rest of my family too, it was for a second they were like, maybe those things she was talking about are not imaginary. and and so it
validated a lot. It also proved to me how much on my team my spirits happened to be.
Laurel Kassor (46:58)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (46:59)
that they showed up in a physical way to defend me when I was in danger. who he wet that sounds it's it even telling the story now, it sounds so surreal. But it
actually occurred. there was matches scattered across the living room floor we had to pick up and it hit him in the side of the head and be like, hey
Leave her the fuck alone. So that was not only very commer confirming, spiritually, and it gave me that second to grab her and run out the house so that we would be
Laurel Kassor (47:27)
Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (47:28)
safe. But it it even kind of started to break my mother's resistance to accepting and understanding that I had gifts. although I I didn't turn it into a profession and I didn't really tap in much deeper at that point because I was also seeing
There are there are positive spirits and there are negative spirits. And when you have negative people around, some of those spirits are really scary. So I I
Laurel Kassor (47:50)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (47:50)
saw a full spectrum of people that or things that other people couldn't perceive that kind of slowed me down from jumping in full speed ahead because I wanted to know the tools. I wanted to be able to handle
Laurel Kassor (48:02)
Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (48:02)
them when they came up instead of just inviting them in. but
Laurel Kassor (48:06)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (48:07)
that was another edge of liminality type situation.
There was nobody standing next to that fireplace that could have thrown the box. and yet
Laurel Kassor (48:14)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (48:15)
he was still hit. So, and it ended up again being a very pivotal, that's ultimately what led to their breakup and for him to leave us alone for the rest of my sister's life.
Laurel Kassor (48:26)
Wow Rae! holy shit, dude. S this was this was the sun moment. Okay, so you
We're using all of these sun-coded words, all of these pillar five coded words about feeling validated, feeling affirmed, feeling recognized, being witnessed, hello. additionally, the sun in your chart, it is an Aries, right? It's at zero degrees Aries. And so it's just it's literally, it's coming in with a fucking force. It's this shine.
Sunshine Seer (48:54)
And in a moment of a
fight.
Laurel Kassor (48:56)
And in the moment of the fight, yes, that was the other thing. Thank you. there were so many features. P my brain like, my god, I'm not gonna be able to keep up with with all of these points she's making here. But yes, It was around a fireplace. It was a fight. It was a matchbook.
Hello. that hits someone in the face. Ares rules the head at the face. it's so st loudly Aries coded. It's it's kind of unbelievable. but it's also in the fifth house of
Of joy and you know, Christmas, a joyous time, a time where we s we celebrate. celebration is another of sun, a solar thing, a fifth house thing, a pillar five thing. So we have a mixture of pillar five, which is the sun and Leo energy in the fifth house, with pillar one energy of Aries and surviv and survival and Mars in the first house. Now, what's really interesting, in addition to everything we just named right there.
was that that the the Ceres Grand Square gets activated again here at this point. So we're talking about how this happened physically, how it anchored something into reality, how a a a real tangible object, a possession, came and smacked him in the fucking face. to the point where it was like, wow, that hurt.
physically hurt me. that. My could the senses became tangibilized. I don't know if that's a word, but whatever. Actualized. And Ceres also
Is technically in your 12th house. It's on your ascendant, but it's technically in your 12th house. So it is about this making spiritual shit real and liminal. You are the anchor, you are the anchor that can make this shit real. it's almost you are a conduit. maybe that's almost a as good of a way to describe it here where that shit was coming through, channel literally channeling through you. which is just really wild. And the other thing is that this Sun Series connection that got activated at that.
That time it validated this thing that you that had begun at your literal birth story and valid, again, it validated it. Okay. Additionally, the sun in pillar five, so the fifth house, has to do with children. Now, this is your sister, right? But the sun is actually in a opening sextile to Saturn, who is in the third house. So
That means that we're bringing in pillar three, the echo pillar and the authority pillar, which has to do with siblings and taking responsibility. So we have something here where it's you had to make the decision, which is a sun thing. Your decision was validated. The decisions you made were validated at that point, right? You had to make a decision at that age, at that time, in a situation where shit that should be impossible was not impossible happening. And kind of scary, but very affirming.
Of not just this, of you being proven right and correct, which is part of this pill this opening quincunks, is like, the right way to do something. But it also activated this energy where where Saturn says, I'm gonna take responsibility in the third house and with the opening sextile for my sibling, for the child who is my sibling. Come with me.
Come on, we're gonna travel. We're gonna, we're gonna hit it, we're gonna hit it, which is also part of that pillar three echoey energy there. So we see that happen and you tur this energy t transpire in that way too. And then additionally, this was when the trine to Jupiter got activated. So your belief in yourself, which is why I kind of paused just to clarify that.
this was the exact moment when that happened, that your belief in yourself where you were able to self-validate and be like, shit. Whoa. Everything that I was maybe invalidating internally.
I now see that I can accept that, that I have support, that I have evidence that it can be witnessed, that it that I can actually move bring wisdom from these experiences now, instead of thinking that I'm fucking crazy. I can be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's so clear. Ever and everyone saw it. And so also, like, this has to do with being witnessed in front of your family. which is more that Saturn rules your the family house.
That's crazy, dude. There's so much more that we could probably pick out with that aspect. we haven't even hit how maybe you fell out with the church yet. but what I really want to move into next
is it looks there was something right around
Our early 20s that would have also maybe had to do with maybe siblings or with work or with health, even. But then there's also something I'm gonna you a little range now that we're getting further out into the span of years here. So there's mercury.
Which is about the early 20s. And then there's something that happens with Venus at twenty-seven or twenty-eight So that could also be relationship
stuff.
Sunshine Seer (53:51)
So glad you asked because I was gonna be like, wait till you hear about my 20s.
Laurel Kassor (53:55)
Okay, let we're here, we've arrived.
Sunshine Seer (53:57)
So the story that I think really shaped me the most from my 20s that I that I bring up sometimes because it's another just a real weird profound experience, right? I was in a car accident around that age.
Laurel Kassor (54:13)
Mm. Mm.
Sunshine Seer (54:15)
I was
I experienced some anomalies which were confirmed later on. So I was in the pack, I was in the back seat of this girl that I had a huge crush on and her boyfriend. Her boyfriend was intoxicated. and he was like, Hey, let's see if we drive. I feel in I what he said exactly was, I feel immortal. Are you? And then he revved the car and drove us straight into a wall. so
Laurel Kassor (54:38)
Dude, who
is he fucking McKenzie's shirilla whatever the fuck her name is,
Sunshine Seer (54:42)
but none
of us died. So I guess on one hand he must have been the right about something. she she had gotten pinned under the dashboard. She was in the passenger side, so her legs were pinned. he got out and was running around and yelling, and I was in the back and I was in the worst condition because I had split my head. So I have a scar here today. I broke one o I broke an arm and I broke a leg.
and what's interesting is when he had gotten into the car to start driving, I heard the car is made for impact, sit correctly. And I was like,
Laurel Kassor (55:17)
Mm.
Sunshine Seer (55:17)
okay, I'm gonna go from side seating to seating head on and buckle up because the car is made for impact, designed for you to sit straight. So the first thing
Laurel Kassor (55:25)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (55:26)
I heard was the desire the car is designed for impact, sit up. So I sat up and I was buckled.
Laurel Kassor (55:29)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (55:32)
the second thing after the
Accident had occurred. I could hear him screaming and running in the background. I could hear sirens in the distance and stuff. I was, I was in and out of consciousness. but I got this vision of my mom had was an EMT, I think before I was born or when I was young. And she had told me when we were watching an episode of CSI together or something about when she had pulled up on the scene of a car accident and the person got out.
And then they collapsed because they had a neck injury, but they were in shock, so they didn't know. So they died after they got out of the car. So she had
Laurel Kassor (56:04)
Right, right. So
you didn't move, you knew not to move.
Sunshine Seer (56:07)
She had put into me that
if there's a car accident, you don't get out. Don't move. And so while when I woke up, it was the back seat was it was a horror movie. it was kind of trigger warning, but there was blood everywhere. you couldn't see out the windows. Every it was just my face was all over, I guess. and so I knew that if my friend in the front seat turned around, because we were both going in and out of consciousness.
She would freak
Laurel Kassor (56:34)
Mm.
Sunshine Seer (56:35)
out. And I knew that she would try to get up and move. And I knew she could not do that. so it was very important that she did not move. And this vision was why. So the whole time I'm in the backseat and I'm like, there could they they're gonna come, they're gonna strap you to a board, you're gonna be fine. And then I'd go out and then I'd wake back up and I'd be like, okay, just breathe, the the ambulance is coming, and I was talking her through sitting still. and then
I remember watching her get strapped to the board and put on the ambulance. And then I was like, okay, now I can be unconscious. So
Laurel Kassor (57:08)
my god.
Sunshine Seer (57:09)
when I ran into her several years later, we had coffee to catch up. there was a bunch of conflict that happened between us. she was also intoxicated and fell into addiction. So her behavior was creative.
And erratic and dangerous. So I I stepped away from that friendship. But we caught up for coffee late, like, this must have been this would have been 2022. and we caught up
Laurel Kassor (57:31)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (57:32)
for coffee, and she was like, you know what's weird is when I saw them take you out on the board, I still heard an angel in the back seat telling me not to move. And I was like, What do you mean when you saw me taken off on the board from the car? I saw them take you out of the car. I was in the back seat. So
Laurel Kassor (57:49)
Liminal shit dude, that's some liminal time slip shit
Sunshine Seer (57:50)
When I was in the ambulance, I wasn't in the ambulance.
I was still telling her not to move because she saw me get in the ambulance first.
Laurel Kassor (58:00)
Bro, and you left your an astral piece of yourself behind, a fucking little echo conduit. Ugh, I'm covered in goosies,
Sunshine Seer (58:04)
Then she says she
says, I went to a chiropractor and this is why I reached out to you for coffee. The chiropractor asked me when I broke my neck.
Nobody had diagnosed her with a broken neck. That had never they didn't put her in a that had never been an official thing. But I guess when she had gotten an adjustment and she had left a she had sent a letter to my mom's house asking me for coffee because she didn't have my contact info, right? And
Laurel Kassor (58:30)
Wow.
Sunshine Seer (58:31)
she said, I went to see a chiropractor and they asked me about when did I break my neck? And I remembered the car accident and I remember you telling me don't move because of necks.
And she's like, and then there was an angel in the backseat. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (58:41)
my god, it must have a hairline f a small fracture. Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (58:45)
So in that moment, me almost not being in my body to make sure that she didn't
cross over. if she had gotten up, she would have died.
Laurel Kassor (58:57)
Dude, I'm saying this is your wow, dude. Whoa.
Sunshine Seer (59:02)
So that's my twenties
experience with just supernatural it shouldn't be a real story, but it is. And there are witnesses
Laurel Kassor (59:11)
But it is.
Sunshine Seer (59:12)
and there are people that
Laurel Kassor (59:14)
That's a consistent thing in all of your stories, is that there are witnesses every single time. you're never doing this alone, which is really interesting. And again, brings me back to this idea of this grand cross that you have going on. And then these outer planet connections to other personal planets It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The things you can't see are real. Look at me.
Explain me otherwise, literally, you know, You named your by the way, yeah, it's your Mercury you were speaking to. literally, you have Mercury, you have it in Aries, it's in the sixth house. So, hello. We have Mercury rules transit and cars. We have Aries ruling literally from the impact pillar. From the impact pillar, we have Aries.
And then we have the sixth house, we have this health, this service, how usefulness, this what broken, this let's fix it thing. And your Mercury is in a pretty tight opening square to your Neptune.
Uranus conjunction in Capricorn. You were talking a lot about spines. We had broken bones. These are Capricorn things. Structures, right? Also visions. Of course, we're bringing this back to Neptune, just we talked about Neptune when your dad, with the with the visions from your dad, which I didn't say it out loud because there were many other things I was saying. but it was the car that was the giveaway for you. Again, we have this third pillar energy showing up. Again, we have this connection from Neptune.
To Mercury from in the third house, where this transit mobility going between the exchange, the echo energy is present, right? You're like, wait, there should be a car there. There's not a car in this echo. What's going on? And you're seeing these echoes. I mean, it's almost we could even call your version of, I mean, I guess that's what kind of what a premonition is. It's a it's an echo outside of time. It's almost a backward echo in a sense, you know what I'm saying? But anyway, it's just so fascinating that that's all very much right in there. And then
this square. Let's talk about that square for a second. We've talked a lot about these quinconxes because they've been all over your chart. and then there are some some other squares that have we have this grand cross, so there's a lot of there's some tension in like, is this real? How do I make this into something useful and practical? What do I actually believe about it? What does this mean about the relationships that I have? there's a lot of different moving parts as part of that. But additionally, this particular square has a kind of what we
Would be a pillar four undertone, the support pillar, which has to do with care and nurture and mothers, which you specifically mentioned, right? It has it's moon, it's the fourth house, it's cancer, it's the opening square. And so Mercury is like, can we accept the information we receive from these visions and construct something?
useful with them, which is exactly what you did. Which is exactly what you did. And you even were able to throw that echo back into the car in some way that well, I don't know how. Who knows how? Right? But this astral energy, which is that again, Neptune is so potent in this way. It's a subtle energy, but it's fucking strong. And so yeah, it's big channel.
energy and it's channeling from all sorts again you being the beacon I just keep seeing a image of you as this speaker system almost in a in a sense this little this speaker system that you don't move you go to the speaker instead of taking the portable speaker with you you know it's that big of a frequency. Does that make sense? The visual is funny. yes okay
Whoa, so so so cool. And we see that that's part of how what you've done with your work as well is taking these messages and constructing them and taking these this information and constructing it into something useful and even kind of step-by-step y a little bit. Your Mercury and Aries in the sixth house, it is also making a square.
to your Chiron, which is where this like, we have to make this useful. So we have an echo again of Pillar Six, because we Chiron, and then we have the s Mercury in the sixth house.
here. And it's making a opening quin conks to Pluto. So we have a lot of this. You gotta figure it out. You gotta make it useful. You gotta make it work. You're gonna you're gonna have to tweak and adjust and f and you know, and even to the point where it was a literal chiropractor to your friend who was sh who tweaks and adjusts literally spying. So there the the symbology is I can't even keep up with the amount of symbology in that story you just shared. Cause there's I know there's parts of it I'm missing. I know there's parts of your stories that you've already shared that I've totally missed being able to clock every little detail on.
But that wow, crazy. Okay, so the last one I want to talk about before we are actually caught up to current ages is Venus. So your Venus moment happens again right after 27. So it'd be right in the those kind of later 20s. This is Venus. So this is the other side of the Ceres energy. So the Sarah, remember Ceres, her entry point was your entry point with a near-death.
Birth experience.
Sunshine Seer (1:04:12)
I was gonna say this is
gonna be another one of those I almost died stories.
Laurel Kassor (1:04:17)
It's this anchor back to this essential energy that is interconnected to multiple other features. we said, your chart is all charts are interconnected. Your chart is got a lot of very what's a good word for it?
Acute aspects. So ac acute tie-ins with each other. So yeah, take it away. What was going on? This could be with partnership, by the way. It would likely have something to do with partnership. Okay.
Sunshine Seer (1:04:43)
Okay, so when I was twenty-seven is how old I was when I had my son. I was
Laurel Kassor (1:04:49)
Okay.
Sunshine Seer (1:04:50)
in an unhealthy relationship. I ended up homeless. but
Laurel Kassor (1:04:55)
Mm.
Sunshine Seer (1:04:56)
he again substances is another theme in in conflicts that I've helped people work through, but also that I've been exposed to both both sides of it, right? People that are not ready to let go of or work on that either. and so
there was a conflict with my partner at the time in which we had parted ways and he had difficulty letting go. and I think I had been single officially for at least a year. and I was outside on the phone in my apartment complex, which was at the end of a dead end.
with a woods on one side of me and a cemetery field on the other. So it was very isolated and it was kind of my own little sanctuary in the middle of a city. I was like, how did I find this place? It's very s serene.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:44)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (1:05:45)
but I got to be around spirits and I got to be in the woods and it was perfect. but
Laurel Kassor (1:05:49)
that's perfect for you.
Sunshine Seer (1:05:51)
he had found an apartment that was down the street. and so the night the night that I'm thinking of
He was in the woods watching me make that phone call. And he had assumed that I was moved moving on and talking to someone new, which triggered his d attack, I will call it. because he ran after me with a machete. so he ended up I ended up in the hospital after that. and
got the restraining order, he moved away and everything is now copesthetic and worked through. But that was another very pivotal moment of like, I remember when he had me by my throat and I saw this flash of like, if you really want to get away forever, this is the move you need to make. a
Mortal Kombat type of you know when they they have the final finish and you can see the bones cracking in the screen. And it was
Laurel Kassor (1:06:39)
Mm-hmm. Finish him.
Sunshine Seer (1:06:43)
if you hit him at this angle
the problem will be solved. But you have a moral,
Laurel Kassor (1:06:47)
Mm.
Sunshine Seer (1:06:48)
like, do you want to end it or do you want to get away and move on? And so there was like, it was time stopped for a second for me to see that and choose was I going to hit him at that angle or was I going to let go and escape and let him go and move on. And I chose to lock myself in the bathroom and call
for help from the bathroom instead of ending his life. But it was very, it was very surreal to to kind of have that information handed to me on a platter. I'm not I don't have a formal ex training of combat at all. But it was if you hit him at this angle, this would mess up his neck or this whatever the the picture was. And I was like, I could get out of
Because he was holding me by my throat in that second.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:37)
Mm.
Sunshine Seer (1:07:38)
I could get out of this by hitting him that, but there was a chance he's not gonna survive if I do. And then it was like,
Laurel Kassor (1:07:44)
Mm.
Sunshine Seer (1:07:45)
but morally or ethically, can I live with taking a life right now? Is this a dire enough situation in which that's justifiable? or do I have more to live for? Am I going to compromise my values as a human being in this moment? Or am I going to so
It gave me a choice of which
Laurel Kassor (1:08:02)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (1:08:03)
road to take in that second. And I chose the path of least harm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:09)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (1:08:10)
and I think that not only all of these experience accumulated, it I I have one of my certifications is in trauma coaching.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:18)
Mm-hmm. That's not shocking at all after hearing your story, of course, naturally,
yeah.
Sunshine Seer (1:08:24)
I can I find that I'm able to listen to people without the same when I tell my stories to people or a therapist, right? And generally they're like, How did you survive? And they it it impacts them and then their reaction kind of makes me like, was that a big deal? I'm sorry.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:39)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (1:08:40)
and so in the field of trauma, a lot of people repress or they hold back or they're afraid to really tell the details because of the reaction of who they're talking to.
For me, it's like, okay, you got attacked with a machete. What else? And so because I
Laurel Kassor (1:08:54)
Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (1:08:54)
have almost that nonchalant perspective due to seeing so much, I'm I've
Laurel Kassor (1:08:59)
Mm-hmm.
Sunshine Seer (1:08:59)
become almost I don't wanna I don't wanna call myself a safe person, but I am treated I am a safer person to share those stories with because I don't have a reaction of extremism. I have a okay, that happened. Now what are we gonna do about it? Which helps them to process a little bit more.
than than the other types of reactions might.
Laurel Kassor (1:09:22)
A hundred percent and there are multiple factors that I think that astrologically doubtlessly we could associate them with. But one of the things that I I mean I really relate to that. People being an astrologer, I have these conversations where I'm like, no, no, tell me that the more details you give me, the more connections we're actually gonna be able to make and understand what they represent and what those features mean. So I totally
S same, same different, right? and I think that might be a little something on again having Ceres on the ascendant. Ceres as a force of stable of stability. Ceres is a force of grounding, of soothing, right? people and I remember my whole life, people be like, I feel so good with you. you just make me feel solid. And I'm like, okay, I don't know what that means exactly, but that's cool. neat, neat, neat. And now
I know other people, especially you, who are it's like, I can see the mirror. I see what they mean now. I understand. There's just like, no, you seem unbudging. You seem unbudgeable. you just seem someone who can just sit in and be. Does that make sense? there's that, and it's that Cerian kind of Taurian, like, no, it's just
Anchor in again. It's a settle in so people can settle in that presence. I think, especially when that presence is regulated itself. You know, it's it is a force of regulation. then there's Venus and Taurus as well. So especially in your case, there is this relationship to not only being someone people can.
open up to, but it's they can relate to you because you're not afraid to just say it. Like, because it is something that happened and it is something that we we go through and it is something that
you can reflect back to them. And I feel that's really a lot of being able to combine this pillar two, actualization, embodiment, sovereignty, owning your shit, possession, own it ownership, right? And the pillar seven, which is more about companionship and polarity and finding the the attract likes and creating compromises and promises and agreements with people when you can anchor yourself as a relatable force.
In the world, And you don't even mean to. It's just like, no, these are just my lived experiences. And there's again a lot of other placements that I could pull in to like, well, yeah, Mercury and Aries. So it's like, well, you just say your facts. You just, you just spit them out. There's also Chiron on the South Node in the ninth house of interpretation. So it's just kind of this overspilling of details, emotional details of memories. Or it's just like, wait, you mean you don't just pick apart every little bit of every memory and analyze it to oblivion and
share that with people so there are a lot of different pieces of that, but I think it's super clear that the the fact that you've been able to and I know there's so fucking much in your story. We haven't even
Been able to t there's so much I want to be like, girl, tell us all about this feature and that feature and this feature and that feature.
And then this game, the Mortal Kombat. You mentioned Mortal Kombat in that story that you got it d downloaded, channeled in a game. It made me immediately think of Sunvale and how you're designing a game. And it's a it's a game about if magic and learning your magic and learning your skill set and learning how to do some of this transformational work in a way that again gamifies it, right? which is just so
Cool. So that really stood out to me too, that you choosing to be the player, be the avatar of spirit, Is something you're passing along through the game. And so that was the connection I s
also saw. So, my gosh. So fucking cool. I could keep yapping for a million and a half years, but how you feeling? How you doing out there?
Sunshine Seer (1:13:00)
You'll have to come back for we'll have to do another episode for more stories,
Laurel Kassor (1:13:04)
yeah.
Sunshine Seer (1:13:04)
I think. Yeah. 'Cause there's there's there's so many life experiences I have. we touched on a good handful of I think you have the essence, right? But there are so many right?
Laurel Kassor (1:13:15)
essence, but I the dirty details. Yeah.
Sunshine Seer (1:13:19)
that kind of just reiterate this theme. And one of the things that it's all
At this point in my life, most of it has come full circle. I've helped people get housing. I've helped people leave domestic violence. I've that's I really try to advocate for people who are struggling. and and I for one example, you said that something about me being a welcoming witch in the opening paragraph, and I am a board member of the Connecticut
Welcoming Pagan Network right now. So it just it's so full circle.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:50)
Dude, are you
kidding me?
Sunshine Seer (1:13:51)
and I really enjoyed being
here to have this conversation today.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:56)
my gosh, I wish that we didn't have to let you go so soon. I know it's not. It's a normal episode length, but it feels I gotta let you go so soon. But before you go, please, please, Rae, tell us where to find you. What are you working on? How can people connect with you? Because clearly you were made for helping people navigate these the liminal spaces and learn about them as well.
Sunshine Seer (1:14:20)
So I have a website. My website is sunshineseer.org. on that website, you can find my services, which I offer one-on-one consultations. I also offer written readings and spell work. you could also find community there as well. Upcoming events. I'm hosting an event in October. and the game is on the website too. have a Discord where you can follow developments we just built. and I
And you can find my book as well. I want to plug the book. the book is about the eight dimensions of wellness. And so there are different areas and aspects and pillars of life in which you can balance each. And if one is off balance, you kind of feel the ro the effects across all of them. So the book right now focuses on the eight pillar, the print vi version will expand to the full twelve pillars. there are twelve pillars of the dimensions
Laurel Kassor (1:15:06)
You got twelve pillars too?
Sunshine Seer (1:15:12)
wellness. Yeah.
I will update you guys on the website and my socials are on that website as well. I very frequently on threads. I would love to meet more people and connect and if I can be of service, that really gives me purpose. So it was lovely doing this podcast with you, and I look forward to
Future collaborations and connections and sending you the finished game when it's done as
Laurel Kassor (1:15:35)
my gosh, I can't wait to play the game.
I can't wait to plug your book and read your book in 12 Pillars 2. Shut up. Shut the front door. my gosh. Thank you so much for being here and for sharing your story with us, Rae. And hey, if this episode got you curious about your what your chart has to say about how you navigate your work and your reality, I would love to support you. I offer readings and other resources on my website, soularcastrology.com You can find me on threads at astro
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