EP13 Divergent Destinations: Following the Divine Downloads with Kacie Knight

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EP13 Divergent Destinations: Following the Divine Downloads with Kacie Knight

Laurel Kassor interviews Kacie Knight, founder of Luminous Evolution, about the winding path that led her from movement arts and crisis support to spiritual education and embodied transformation. Together, they trace the early experiences, identity deaths, divine downloads, and repeated reinventions that shaped Kacie’s work with lightworkers, entrepreneurs, and seekers.

Kacie shares how her approach blends energy work, subconscious rewiring, movement, and “reality recoding” to move people beyond insight into lived change. Laurel uses Kacie’s birth chart and the Soul ARC Astrology™ developmental age method to connect the constellations between her story, her purpose, and her capacity to help others navigate transformation.

Key topics

• Kacie’s unexpected path from aspiring professor to gymnast, crisis worker, doula, professional hula hooper, movement teacher, and spiritual educator
• Evolutionary alchemy, embodied transformation, and Kacie’s “prep the field” practice
• Why mystical experiences without identity-level integration can become “mystical masturbation”
• Receiving her first “divine assignment” around age 8
• A serious gymnastics injury and fractured neck that ended one identity and opened another
• Leadership, operations management, crisis response, and training crisis-line volunteers
• Becoming a professional hula hooper at 28 and building a business around movement, flow, and embodied teaching
• Motherhood as initiation and another divine download that called Kacie into online spiritual work
• Ceres-Neptune, rhythm, regulation, embodied channeling, and spiritual openness
• Trusting the process, reclaiming mastery, and expanding our capacity to hold transformation

Timestamps

00:00 - Welcome + Kacie Knight
02:05 - From professor dreams to spiritual work
05:52 - “Prep the field” + holistic transformation
06:58 - Mystical experience vs. embodiment
09:22 - The developmental age method
11:13 - Breech birth, early delivery + C-section
15:29 - Chiron in Taurus: assess, diagnose, correct
17:41 - Jupiter in Scorpio: death + rebirth
20:23 - Sagittarius stellium + drive to teach
24:54 - Belonging + the next developmental layer
27:11 - Kacie’s first divine assignment
36:30 - Life as a competitive trampoline gymnast
37:13 - Fractured neck + identity death
43:03 - Neptune, Ceres, rhythm + circles
45:33 - Altered states + worship through movement
47:27 - Pluto-Saturn: authority, crisis + responsibility
53:43 - Training crisis-line volunteers
58:20 - Saturn return, marriage + business formation
60:32 - Doula work, dance + a new path
67:46 - Jupiter vs. Chiron: teacher vs. practitioner
71:22 - Motherhood as initiation
71:33 - Divine download + moving online
73:56 - Trusting process + the 12/6 axis
80:02 - Neptune-Ceres + embodied channeling
85:56 - The completion cycle + reclaiming mastery
91:26 - Evolutionary codex + mastery of process
95:15 - Reverse nodes + the import/export model
101:40 - Sparkle Field Activation + working with Kacie
106:07 - Soul ARC readings + closing

ABOUT KACIE KNIGHT Kacie Knight is a spiritual educator, rebirth specialist, and the founder of Luminous Evolution, a mystery school for lightworkers ready to own their gifts. Through her signature method, Evolutionary Alchemy, she blends embodiment work, belief repatterning, and divine channeling to help people bring their soul's magic into tangible, real-world form.

Connect with Kacie: http://www.kacieknight.com/links

Connect with Laurel & support the show: http://www.soularcastrology.com/madeforthis

Laurel Kassor (00:00)

Welcome to Orbit Seekers. This is episode 13 of Made for This with Laurel Kassor the podcast where soul-led practitioners, educators, and creatives come together to connect the constellations of how astrology turns from abstract insight to real-world impact when you follow your soul's arc. I'm Laurel Kassor your astro oracle host and the founder of Soul A.R.C. Astrology. And today I have the luminous Kacie Knight joining me. Kacie has a Sagittarius sun.

Leo Moon, and she is a Taurus rising. She's a spiritual educator, rebirth specialist, and the founder of Luminous Evolution, a mystery school for light workers obsessed with their own evolution and ready to finally share their gifts with the world. Kacie teaches a soul embodiment method called evolutionary alchemy. And you can think of it like plant medicine ceremony, but without the jungle humidity. She's been receiving divine assignments since childhood, and every plot point in her story has come through as a direct transmission.

And I have a feeling her chart will reveal the mysteries of how she was made for this

Kacie Aileen Knight (00:55)

I mean I kind of feel protected to feel the mysteries of how

Laurel Kassor (00:59)

work the entire time. Kacie, thank you so much for being here.

Kacie Aileen Knight (01:04)

thank you so much for having me. This is the most interesting podcast concept I have ever seen. So this is such a treat.

Laurel Kassor (01:13)

It's been a delight to record these and practice these and just, you know, what's really funny is that this podcast arrived fully formed. a couple months ago it was just hi, I'm your podcast. This is what I'm gonna be, and this is my name. And by the way, this is the date that you're dropping it on. And I was okay, I guess we will go with that. so I know you too know a little bit about these divine.

Download. So why don't you tell us a little bit more about the work that you do and the clients that you work with?

Kacie Aileen Knight (01:41)

I do and those divine assignments that come through fully formed or with just enough information to get you started, and then you kind of fumble your way through figuring the rest out is how I've lived my life. This is not exactly what I thought I would be doing when I was young. I thought I would be a university professor. no way, no, that's great.

Laurel Kassor (02:00)

Me too! Sorry to jump it up, but me too. I literally

went to college to be a high school English teacher with the ultimate goal of getting

into to be in a professor

Kacie Aileen Knight (02:09)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (02:10)

so I could have fucking real conversations with people was the goal. Yeah. Look at me now.

Kacie Aileen Knight (02:13)

Fascinating. And

I just feel when we're younger, that's the lensing that we have available. That's the closest thing we can conceive of. But then

Laurel Kassor (02:22)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (02:23)

The road opens up and there's more that can happen. So that's amazing. And yeah,

Laurel Kassor (02:27)

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (02:29)

I wanted to help people and be supportive to the evolution of the planet that I knew was happening way, way, way back in the day. And so I I had a circuitous route to get there. And I actually became a professional hula hooper for quite some time and teaching mastery through movement arts and circus arts and fun stuff.

Laurel Kassor (02:50)

So cool.

Kacie Aileen Knight (02:51)

And that business, dancing into being, movement arts, and healing, was what I wanted to do for a while because it was all of my dreams smashed together and it was so much fun. And I didn't have to advertise, it was almost all word of mouth. It was perfect, but I was called into something different with a bigger scale. And I am currently evolving through many iterations of the work that I do. And I would love to just say that it's

Exactly about evolution. It's the evolution of

Laurel Kassor (03:21)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (03:21)

consciousness and the opening of the heart and the

Embodied ascension of humanity and light workers and the people that are here to help create a whole new paradigm on the planet. And I love doing that in so many different ways. There are plant medicine-esque journeys that I do specifically, though, with Gaia. I work with Gaia Sophia, the goddess of the earth, a consciousness, that divine feminine. And she has

Laurel Kassor (03:47)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (03:48)

worked with me to co-create my own modality, which is actually a reality recoding.

technology when I look at it, that is beyond manifestation into co-creation and the expansion of your light body, but in a really safe and grounded way, working with the divine instead of from the human mind, because that's where we usually go astray.

Right when we are overthinking it and trying to direct from our limited human consciousness and awareness. And I love just bringing people into these mystical spaces and use the techniques that I have to clear out all of the that's in the way so they can receive both the divine downloads from their soul or from their highest self or from source itself, but also have their own mystical experience where they feel the divine love and support.

That's always available. Because that's the game changer. Right.

Laurel Kassor (04:41)

My god, I think I just fell in love with you.

my gosh, my h I am having a full body reaction. My heart chakras going nuts. My solar plexus is crazy right now. Cause same mission, babe. I love this.

Kacie Aileen Knight (04:53)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (04:54)

I I mean, I'm personally deeply resonating with everything that you're saying and I know for a fact that these

babies out here listening to us are also feeling that mission. I am so curious what you can tell us about these techniques that you have before we get into the origins, 'cause now I'm

I wanna hear about a little more detail on the work that you do

Kacie Aileen Knight (05:15)

Yeah works.

Laurel Kassor (05:15)

because I know for a fucking fact that's gonna tie in from the early parts of your story.

Kacie Aileen Knight (05:20)

I'm sure. So it's a lot because I am one who is here to do the holistic of

Laurel Kassor (05:27)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (05:27)

Approach and not specialize in one thing, but rather work with the unity field and the whole ecology of your human self, body, mind, heart, and soul, all the elements, all of it, because it needs to function cohesively together. So I do love starting with the mystical energy work and we do that ceremonial practice. And I have this prep the field technique that is several steps that create the divine, restore the divine flow, actually that we're supposed to have flowing through us from the earth and cosmos all the time.

When we are, you know, in a stress response, we throw up these shields and we get disconnected. And that's humanity's main problem: they're disconnected from themselves, each other, and the divine and the earth and everything. So it's first restoring the divine flow that's always supposed to be there, making enough space for that energy, having people be able to experience that support and then receive whatever they need in that moment. And I do energy work in a way where I'm just the tour guide and I both practice and teach my facilitators.

How to get the divine to do it for you so they get exactly what they need.

Laurel Kassor (06:29)

Mm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (06:30)

And then also we can have these mystical, magical experiences of my gosh, I remember who I am, my heart is open, everything's amazing. And if we don't actually integrate it and shift at the identity level, I call it mystical masturbation. It feels good. It just doesn't make the baby, it doesn't create a new life that we want to actually transform into.

So then we have all the embodiment practices, the identity coaching. I'm a belief repattering practitioner, so I do a lot of subconscious rewiring to get the superconscious and the subconscious aligned and coherent and to shift people out of that old paradigm programming and into the if I'm aligned with with who I truly am, I can do anything.

Laurel Kassor (07:11)

my gosh, you couldn't

be speaking your chart more clearly.

Kacie Aileen Knight (07:15)

What's

Laurel Kassor (07:16)

it is insane the keywords you're using right now as you are just so organically, cohesively integrating these multiple multiple and multifaceted parts of your personal soul syllabus together. It's such a delight to hear you speak on it already.

Kacie Aileen Knight (07:34)

And

then we dance, by the way. That's the other piece is that that deep embodiment and the movement and dance in real life too, moving

with everything and having some freaking fun with it and bringing in the pleasure and the potency and the power that we, you know, are it's our birthright, but we've forgotten about.

Laurel Kassor (07:54)

my gosh, the fire in me recognizes the fire in you, bitch. Yes, all this movement energy, this identity energy, but having it mixed into this collective, unified, whole holistic, divine

Kacie Aileen Knight (08:04)

It's

Laurel Kassor (08:05)

essence of flowing from the as above into the so below through the physical integration of the mystical concepts is just chef's fucking kiss. I love it.

Love that. Thank you so much for telling us a little bit more about this current iteration of this work that you're doing. I know there's there's so many questions I would just want to hear about the work itself. But we'll get into that as we flow here. So if it's okay with you, I would to kind of shift all geas a little bit to learn about how the hell you were made to do that work because it does.

Start way before we get into our adult lives So I do have your birth chart up.

we like to start on this podcast with what I to call the plot points

These formative plot points in your storyline. I was taught a technique by one of my professors coming up in astrology. It's called the developmental age method. And the idea is that where a planet falls in your chart, there is a correlating age, physical lived age, connected to that experience of that energy. The way that I think about it is it was at that age of consciousness and developmental awareness that you met.

that planet and its essence

in your life for the first time. Right. Remember the the birth chart is a circle. So we're we're staring into the center of it, but we're looking through the lens of that planet at that time with that awareness. So these things set the template, the formative template

for the patterns that we end up moving through at different lenses with different awareness as we spiral through the arc.

Of our soul's journey on Earth. And in this framework, since I do look at the birth chart as the soul syllabus, that means our work is an extension off of that syllabus lesson, off of these patterns that began way before the work did itself. So your first

planet that falls in your chart is actually right on the ascendant. And that means it

You met this planet at age zero,

at age being born, right there as you entered into the lifetime. So from the moment of consciousness beginning as a separate individual being

Kacie Aileen Knight (10:26)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (10:27)

on Earth, there has been an imbuent with Chiron's

energy. And you have Chiron in Taurus. it's technically it's in the first house,

Kacie Aileen Knight (10:35)

It's a

Laurel Kassor (10:36)

it's on your ascendant, but it is

On the inside of the incendant, by a minute, basically. and it is retrograde, which will add a unique quality to

it as well. We'll get into, I'm sure you'll naturally tell us about what that looks like for you. so because this formative

moment happened at birth, I am not expecting you to know every single detail. I'm not expecting you to necessarily even remember. But is there anything around your birth story that was told to you or passed on to you?

that you can share with us and we'll kinda

connect the dots from there.

Kacie Aileen Knight (11:09)

I was three weeks early.

Laurel Kassor (11:10)

Okay.

Kacie Aileen Knight (11:11)

So couldn't wait to get here. I was a breach birth as well. And my mom was disappointed to have a C-section because she knew my doctor, her doctor could have delivered a breach birth.

v vaginally, but he was no longer allowed hospital privileges or something. Something had just changed right at that time. So she had

Laurel Kassor (11:33)

Interesting.

Kacie Aileen Knight (11:35)

the trauma of a C section early birth, unsupported by her family because she was you know, an an immigrant, new to Canada, her family was in Ireland, very alone. So I think it was very traumatic for her.

Laurel Kassor (11:48)

Mm-hmm.

that checks out immediately with some

Kacie Aileen Knight (11:51)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (11:52)

of what we're seeing in the chart. Cause a big piece of this puzzle here is not just how did we experience that one planet, which we'll get into describing based on your story just now, but it's also that when that planet comes online, so does every other planet it touches in the chart. We see them through the lens of that original one. So your Chiron is

square your moon.

One of the big things that stands out to me, the moon in all astrology, and and mine included, is representative of the mother. Okay. Your moon's in Leo, right? So this can very literally, and I do find that in the earliest parts of the life, the astrology is very literal. the experiences are very literal, because we don't have a suff a lot of sophisticated thinking capabilities yet to understand what we're experiencing. But moon and Leo, mother, moon.

Leo, decisions, mother's decisions. Upon arrival, there was a problem that created a tension in the mother's decision

about what she wanted to do. How she wanted to be a mother, how she wanted to bring you into the world immediately, cr there was a tension, and that's that square energy. And what's interesting about that is Chiron itself.

And talk about these the pillars involved because we're bringing in themes. There are in my system 12 pillars, 12 themes of experiential consciousness. And when they combine in certain ways, it creates thematics

that we can all recognize in our life. And so what we're seeing here is Chiron, the planet that represents Pillar Six refinement. Pillar six has to do with Virgo, Chiron, the sixth house, and the

Waxing quincunx aspect. And they all have to do with doing things the right way, doing things in the practical way,

doing things in the correct way, doing things efficiently,

competently, skillfully, methodically, that is the essence of the refinement pillar. It's there to chisel things and adjust things and mend things

Designers make it work, right? To make it work, to make what

is broken or not functional working more efficiently and correctly. Right. So that's Chiron's job in everybody's chart is to diagnose, assess, and correct. Diagnose, assess, correct. And it does

that on repeat. It is a repetitive process. So Chiron is in Taurus on your ascendant. So the arrival is associated with a physical essence.

Taurus is the sign

of pillar two. Pillar two is the anchor pillar, and it has to do with Taurus energy, the planet Ceres in my system,

who we're going to talk about. The second house and the

Opening semi-sextile aspect, all source from the same energy that has to do with density, physicality, actualization, soothing, regulation, manifestation in in so much

Kacie Aileen Knight (14:41)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (14:41)

as holding on to something sustainably, being able to attach something down into the root systems so it sticks and it stays,

Do you see how this is already filling out some of the blanks of your story?

Kacie Aileen Knight (14:57)

I always say my entire thing, if I was to summarize it, is helping you bring your cosmic soul magic down to earth to actually make something physical and real with it.

Laurel Kassor (15:06)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It started here. It literally started at you at arrival at the beginning point. And so we're not even done walking through this aspect yet, right? this is just the arrival. Something was wrong. And something physically, the physical positioning of how you were entering the world was finger quotes incorrect.

And then the skills didn't go the way mom would have chosen. Mom didn't

choose that. Also, I want to acknowledge that Chiron and all the pillar six characters or family members. I like to call them family members sometimes. they all belong to this little family of refinement. They all have to do with practitioners, facilitators, medics. Okay? Doctors get tied into this area.

Because what does a doctor do? But assess diagnosis correct. Assess diagnosis correct. Assess diagnosis correct. Right? So there is a medical component, but it's not about

Kacie Aileen Knight (15:59)

So there yes.

Laurel Kassor (16:01)

the wound, in my opinion. It's about the diagnostic and the adjustment. It's more chiro chiron, chiropractor. Okay. Like, are we seeing this right? Right? So anyway.

That's just one tiny feature I could honestly keep digging at. Chiron also activated your Jupiter at that time. So you understood belief at that time in a way that had to do with life and death. Your Jupiter is

in Scorpio. So there's something about evolution right up in there.

There's something about transition in there, about the the process of of of

Death and rebirth happening right in there where there was in that moment of your delivery, there was some kind of blueprinted understanding.

that kind of activated then that made you see a full spectrum because this is an opposition and it had to do with other people. I tr you know, I really do try not to talk about my own chart s too much during these sessions, but I also have a planet right on my ascendant and a planet right on descendant. And part of what I've observed personally

Kacie Aileen Knight (17:03)

and the thing my descendant and part of what I was

Laurel Kassor (17:07)

about that is that there is a relationship between

parts of how I would function and do something being attached to other people and how they perceive or do or function or what would

be of of use to them. You got here early and it was inconvenient. you it was

Kacie Aileen Knight (17:22)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (17:22)

I you didn't mean to.

But the doctor wasn't available. And then the we then we had to add a C section about

Kacie Aileen Knight (17:25)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (17:29)

it. And it's a very traumatic event for you're saying for your mother, for you too, for both of you. You're still attached to

Kacie Aileen Knight (17:33)

Yeah, but yeah.

Laurel Kassor (17:35)

her as you're entering into the world. Right. So there we're seeing that. We're seeing this reflective quality establish a bond between belief and interpretation and understanding, which is Jupiter, and having that rooted into crisis.

Scorpio transformation, Scorpio, death and rebirth cycle, Scorpio, power, Scorpio,

right? Your mom may have felt powerless because she couldn't get the doctor she wanted to do the procedure, which is a Chiron thing, that she would have chosen.

Again, we have this moon and Leo energy trying to express and being rejected, which is the square to the Chiron, which also your moon's square to Jupiter. So here we're

Integrating very early, that there's something about the roots of caretaking and having to be very expressive about it. If we're gonna get these things fixed that we need fixed, that we believe need to be done a certain correct way. Chiron also activated all of your Sagittarius stellium except for your sun. You have Venus, Mercury, Neptune, Ceres.

All conjunct, which is to say

acting as a singular force, an entity

Kacie Aileen Knight (18:44)

Ooh.

Laurel Kassor (18:45)

in your eighth house. Okay, it's a lot of different pillars combining because that's four different planets from four different pillars, but they're all combining in Scorpio's

pillar. We already have Jupiter in Scorpio, part of this equation that's been activated at birth.

And so what we're also seeing here is a massive concentration of, who, what do I gotta fix? Who, there's something I gotta fix.

I'm here to fix some shit, man. I'm here to, here to really see something

corrected, dude. And we're seeing it connect ding ding ding ding ding ding ding straight into the areas of consciousness

that have to do with fucking evolution, that have to do with death and rebirth cycles, that have to do with transitioning from one phase into another phase of.

of being. This is also all in Sagittarius. So it's all about education.

It's all about wisdom. It's all about the higher concepts.

concepts are a pillar nine, which by the way is Jupiter is

Pillar Pillar Nine is Reach, is the name I've given for Sagittarius, Jupiter, the ninth house, and the waning trine They all

source from this energy about reach and expansion.

But lastly, what else got activated at that time and the stylastic? So basically, basically your whole chart.

Came online,

But your Mars got activated too. So your survival instinct. And there we go, I think with part of the idea that you got here really early and maybe had to fight for survival,

but like did it, you know? And that there was this this like alert, it's almost as if this energy is saying, all

that other stuff was also being

Uploaded into your consciousness at literally day one.

Mars was saying, but we could we could survive it if we just follow the right steps and systems, if we just have some discipline and are patient, we can we can get through this, man.

Because we did, we got through it, right? So anyway,

Kacie Aileen Knight (20:44)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (20:45)

I know that was a fire hose of information very quickly coming at you. So I wanna give I wanna give you the floor. How are you feeling? How is that landing? What does it bring up for you?

Kacie Aileen Knight (20:56)

It all tracks very deeply. Even that Mars in Capricorn, because I remember having thoughts several times, 'cause I had some, you know, childhood drama as many of us do, going you know what? You just have to make it to adulthood and it's all gonna be fine. just survive this, don't worry about it. And yeah, it'll all be it'll all be okay.

Laurel Kassor (21:19)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

It's pretty cool that so much was able to begin getting processed.

Kacie Aileen Knight (21:25)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (21:27)

you described a very high level of integration with your energy as you're describing the work that you do and that you've done, So it's really cool to see even from the very beginning, we began practicing this thing.

And refining this thing, this thing that had to do with, mmm, gotta figure out how to get here, gotta gotta figure out how to keep kicking, gotta figure out how to conceptualize all of this in some way, because there is crisis, because there is crisis that happens in the world, and to individuals. So it's you had a very early understanding of that. And so

As you would have gone out kicked out into childhood, what I've noticed and I'm learning and kind of watching as I continue to do these interviews

is that one plot point kind of feeds into whatever the next one will be and will kind of just keep going through different aspects of its own cycling. And obviously there's transits, it's very multifaceted astrology. It's crazy, right? But the next big plot

point that I see.

For your childhood isn't until it looks maybe a little tiny bit after your ninth birthday. here this is the moon. we're actually still gonna be talking about Chiron a lot and all of these other things that were attached to the Chiron activation.

they're all gonna be attached to each other in various ways because when one gets lit up, they're all gonna touch and light up. But the moon, we're looking at it now through the lens of about a a nine-year-old-ish, eight, nine, call it about that. And we're looking at this through an emotional lens. We're looking at this through a space of belonging, of acceptance. This could be very mom related.

Right, this is our moon in Leo, so this could have something to do with expressing your feelings, expressing safety in some way. This does activate very strongly the square to Chiron, the square to Jupiter, but it trines all of those Sagittarius placements. So we could be. wait, I'm sorry. Let me back up. I misread my own.

map here because Mercury's retrograde. So why wouldn't I? checks out. This next event wouldn't be until

Fourteen or fifteen. Fourteen or fifteen. I'm sorry. I definit I whooped at the wrong house. Fourteen or fifteen. It's about expression. It's still about mom. It's still about belonging. It's still about acceptance. Like all that stuff is true. It's just the age was

Kacie Aileen Knight (23:53)

something. yeah, for the street.

Laurel Kassor (23:54)

a little bit different to put you in there. Is there anything

Kacie Aileen Knight (23:56)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (23:58)

that's popping out?

Is there anything super important that happened between that I'm missing, which would just probably be a playoff of the Chiron thing from earlier?

Kacie Aileen Knight (24:05)

Well, it's just so interesting that you were saying around eight nine because that is when I got my first divine assignment. So that and it sounded Yeah. I'm channeling it, right?

Laurel Kassor (24:12)

Okay. Okay, maybe I did that on purpose by accident. You know what I'm saying? Like

Kacie Aileen Knight (24:20)

Yeah, it sounded really accurate for that time. So that was interesting.

Laurel Kassor (24:24)

Tell us about that then.

Kacie Aileen Knight (24:25)

it was a time where I I've tracked it to around eight-ish, but I don't remember exactly, where I actually had a a mystical, unbidden experience where I was just hanging out and this beautiful, divine love light descended upon me and was guess what?

You're gonna be a spiritual teacher. And I thought immediately, what? Me? No, I'm just a kid. no, thank you. What do you mean?

Laurel Kassor (24:53)

It's giving

me Aang from Avatar the Last Airbender.

Kacie Aileen Knight (24:56)

yeah, exactly. And I went to a Catholic school. We had just watched the crucifixion of Christ, and all of my akashics were no, no, that does not seem safe at all. We should not be doing that. We know that ends badly. And so

the spirit was my goodness, when you're an adult, not right now. Like I could feel this chuckling energy. And then I was given the vision of having a global mission and teaching and educating and having, yeah, that level of global connection that felt terrifying because this was pre-internet, be you

Laurel Kassor (25:32)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (25:32)

know, so to be to be global, you needed to be pretty famous. And it's not

you know,

today it was I got students all over the world.

And it's actually not, I mean it's a big deal, but it's not as it would have been then.

Laurel Kassor (25:41)

No, yeah, I know what you mean, yep.

Kacie Aileen Knight (25:43)

and I just got this sense of peace and inevitability with it. And it was very much and everything's gonna be okay, this massive hug from spirit.

And it still scared the crap out of me because I was

Laurel Kassor (25:57)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (25:57)

what the heck was that? I had no one to talk about with that. And so I was shut that into the box of people but think I'm crazy if I ever say anything about that. And didn't think of it for a long time.

Laurel Kassor (26:08)

Mm. When was the next time you thought of it?

Kacie Aileen Knight (26:10)

gosh I mean

It would pop up in different ways. when I was around that 14, 15, I was thinking, maybe I'll have a wellness institute and I'll call it the Synergy Wellness Institute. And I'll bring all of these holistic practitioners together and we can solve some of the issues that I'm already seeing.

Laurel Kassor (26:27)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (26:28)

that kind of thing, but it wasn't like, and I'm gonna be a spiritual teacher. I think I started thinking of that more.

Consciously, when I was actually really doing a lot of spiritual acceleration work and embodiment work, I had been studying spirituality and people for my entire life. I was fascinated by it, voracious. But when I was going on my own healing journey to actually own my magic and not just be the organizer of other people's magic, which is how I wanted to keep it, and then actually own the no, I'm here to do the magical stuff.

To. I

Laurel Kassor (27:05)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (27:06)

had my own business doing the the stuff where I would smooth in the spirituality, but it wasn't the

Main focus. The main focus was movement mastery and and fun and learning skills and things that. And I was I'm doing it. I'm that spiritual teacher that I, you know, the divine said I was gonna be. And then the divine's no, you've got global mission, remember? Yeah,

Laurel Kassor (27:24)

Not not quite all the way like that. Yeah.

Kacie Aileen Knight (27:27)

this is the precursor. So that was in my, I would say, early 30s.

Laurel Kassor (27:31)

Okay, yeah. You have a lot of stuff that happens in the post Saturn return

Kacie Aileen Knight (27:37)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (27:38)

moments. Th you bring it back to

Kacie Aileen Knight (27:39)

You bring up.

Laurel Kassor (27:40)

the fourteen, fifteen mark and saying that that was when you started to think about a community or a way of of kind of collect I don't even know if you said the word collecting, but I got the collecting these holistic practitioners and these problems that you're already s solving.

I sincerely think that that Chiron activation right at the beginning had you working early. receiving downloads,

Kacie Aileen Knight (28:00)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (28:01)

working with spiritual concepts. Again, so much of your s of your energy is oriented into pillar eight and nine. This is alchemy and expansion, alchemy and expansion, alchemy and expansion, and it's got a very healthy dose of like some.

Pillar twelve, unity in energy attached into it. And pillar six,

which is the refinement. And that's actually the opposite of pillar twelve. So we have again this like bring the big mystical everything into practical attunement, which is the spectrum of twelve and six together. But also Expand the capacity for alchemy. Expand the capacity for alchemy going on. So I think that's been going on for a very, very long time,

which we probably made marked.

a childhood of mystical type experiences that would have flowed into something. But then this moon marker at about 14,

Kacie Aileen Knight (28:43)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (28:48)

15, would align with this like I am really starting to be almost finger quotes here, but bothered by these problems that I'm perceiving. these are squares

Kacie Aileen Knight (28:57)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (28:58)

that that this moment would have held to Chiron

We gotta fix it, we gotta fix it, we gotta fix it, I gotta be the one to fix it. And Jupiter, who is

Kacie Aileen Knight (29:06)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (29:08)

saying, and you gotta teach it, you gotta teach it, you gotta learn it, you gotta be, you gotta preach it,

Kacie Aileen Knight (29:10)

No, yeah, yeah.

Laurel Kassor (29:12)

I do believe that Chiron is very much about there is a proper way. But I think that Jupiter is more

Kacie Aileen Knight (29:15)

But I didn't.

Laurel Kassor (29:16)

there's a righteous way. And I think that when you get these two entities together.

They're talking to each other and having kind of like, no, there's a principled way. And then Chiron is like, right, but then there's a functional way, dude. So what do you want? Do you want principles or do you want fucking function? Do you want it to work or do you want to pontificate all day?

Kacie Aileen Knight (29:34)

I always just had this sense that we were definitely doing it incorrectly on this planet because I did have memories of other dimensions, planets, and places and futures where it was not this. And I was What do we need? 'Cause this is not it's not the vibe.

Laurel Kassor (29:52)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (29:52)

is really what was overt and I knew that I was here to help. I always had that awareness and that mystical experience really locked that in for me when I was eight. So I I just really feel I was starting to contemplate the well what am I gonna be when I grow up? How can I do this in a way that's gonna make sense?

Laurel Kassor (30:09)

Mm-hmm. I'm curious. There are a couple of other f significators that could have come up around this age too, around this stuff. and one of them that keeps poking me is were there any friends? Were there any problems with friends that were coming up? Were there any problems with religion that were coming up? was there any tensions around not because it's

What I keep f feeling here at especially such a critical developmental age is there's a template being set, an important one, around how do I accept this these wisdoms, these teachings, these knowings. so we and if there isn't, no big deal, we'll move on to the next one. But I was just I got a little tap that was ask about friends or conflicts around.

Ego or popularity, because there is again, this is a Leo Moon,

Kacie Aileen Knight (30:50)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (30:53)

this is an in the fifth house, a performance, a presentation, of friendships, of dating, of validating the individual identity, which we know identity is a big piece of the work you do. And so it just looks potentially here cemented something

Kacie Aileen Knight (31:08)

It's potentially here, but it some.

Laurel Kassor (31:10)

around we need to do something about this ourselves.

I've gotta do something about this. Me, me, I'm the one. does that bring up anything different or rattle anything

Kacie Aileen Knight (31:20)

Yeah,

I was

Moving from at that time being a national level trampoline gymnast where that was a big part of my country.

Laurel Kassor (31:28)

That's the kind of shit we wanna

hear. Yes, tell us about that. Because it's movement. there's a lot of fire in here. There's technique in here. There's achievement in here. yeah, yeah.

Kacie Aileen Knight (31:38)

So yeah, I I had for for a few years been competitive and had gone quite quickly in the you know, up in the ranks of the sport, you know, 35 years ago or whatever this was. And it was a really big part of my life training 30, 40 hours a week, competitions, and then after a pretty significant injury due to some shitty coaching, if I'm being really honest, because I had developed

Beyond my coach's capacity to safely teach me. And they were just do this. And I I didn't have the right trading for those skills. I landed on the back of my neck and pulled a bunch of stuff. And suddenly, and I actually turns out I had fractured my neck, but they didn't catch that until later. suddenly my fearlessness that I had had up until then became shit, I am a fallible human being and I can get really hurt or die.

So it was a very initiation into a new level of consciousness, of awareness of who I was. And then I also shifted out of the athlete mode and into okay, I'm just gonna be a high school student, I'll cheerlead, I'll join the choir, I'll be in the the play, and this is, you know, and I'll smoke weed because I'm not an athlete every day. You know, it's just

Laurel Kassor (32:49)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (32:50)

a very big identity shift.

Laurel Kassor (32:53)

I'm covered in chills. That's the event. I was there's gonna be something more than just what will I do when I grow up with this energy here? That is a huge shi identity

Kacie Aileen Knight (33:00)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (33:02)

shift. It's a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge piece because there's a lot of Leo in in this. This is again pillar five. This is the creation pillar. This has so much to do with hobbies, what we do for fun, performances, how we express ourselves, literally the decisions that we make.

That decision making is a pillar five topic. So we already saw that come up with mom way early. And remember, we're looking at the same finger quotes event through a t through a different lens at a different point in time with different players involved. And so what I also heard was that

you had outgrown the capacity and the skill level of coaching that was being provided for you too. So there's something about these squares between Jupiter and and Chiron are a tension point on you your ability to safely, literally safely express yourself and and move your body and do your hobbies with

with practical support, basically, with knowledgeable support,

Kacie Aileen Knight (34:02)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (34:05)

with skills. You also mentioned training, that you were training for 30 to 40 hours a week. Training is a Chiron thing. Hello,

Kacie Aileen Knight (34:11)

Hmm.

Laurel Kassor (34:11)

because it's about doing the repetitive thing to build a skill. And so that shows up

Kacie Aileen Knight (34:14)

Thanks for.

Laurel Kassor (34:15)

in there. This also is a it could have you found out you fractured your neck, dude.

Kacie Aileen Knight (34:20)

Yeah,

it's great.

Laurel Kassor (34:21)

That's that can be life

and death. That it literally was the end of a phase, though. And so that we already had mentioned that part of your work is really about this inherent understanding of expanding and moving through

phases, ready to go and and armed with insight in in some way, or armed with skill or technique or practical application.

in some way, right? And so what I'm hearing there is that

this event

where it could have been more life-threatening than it was potentially, that created

the end of essentially an er an era. usually people's plot formative plot points span from one

planet's timeframe until the next big plot point comes.

would have been that part of that transition into the

how do I nurture my identity now that I've been doing all this figuring out of how to physically occupy space in this world and the techniques for moving in this world and anchoring to this world and finding the ways to do that.

'Cause we haven't gone to the planet yet, but one of the big things that keeps circling in your story is is this idea of circling. hula hoops, alternate dimensions, the spiral of ascensions,

the channeling of source information, all of that has to do with Neptune. All of that has to do with Pillar 12.

And your Neptune is part of that big Sagittarius stellium that you have. Your Neptune is very involved. We're we're gonna be scooting our asses up to them pr pretty soon once we get up to they cluster. But this was a really important

one. So thank you for bearing with me while I poked and dug a

little bit. I do appreciate that. because it's clear that that

was one of the moments that set the template of identity shifting.

and being able to transition and what kind of support one might need through a process where everything that you thought you were doing is no longer what you're doing. And how the hell am I gonna make like what choices do I make now? What does this mean about me?

Kacie Aileen Knight (36:24)

Yeah, that time I also remember consciously kind of being aware of it wasn't really a decision, more a awareness of who I was, was I was never gonna be one thing and I was never gonna be in one group. I would be doing the I've got friends from all kinds of groups and I'll I'll cheerlead, but I'll also hang out with the people at the smoke shock and the people who are getting high at the school dance, and then I will also be in the school play, and then I will also

pollinate, cross pollinate across places.

Laurel Kassor (36:50)

I love that. I love that for many multiple reasons I mentioned the squares, the tension points, which is what I was picking at, because usually it's pretty easy to find those tension points when you just poke a little bit. But also this activated a trine a supportive aspect between your moon and the Sagittarius planets up there, who I mentioned came in.

with with tumbling, cheerleading, hula hooping, gymnastic stuff. all the that is so very this Neptune spinny, spinny, spinny. But it's not just Neptune.

Kacie Aileen Knight (37:20)

Just

Laurel Kassor (37:21)

It's also Neptune with Ceres.

Getting activated, who we'll talk a little more about here. It's Neptune with Mercury getting activated, it's Neptune with Venus getting activated. So it's got a lot of these different features of socializing, connecting, and putting information and processing information together, and also the physical body. Because if you recall, I mentioned Ceres is the planet of Pillar Two. So all things Taurus.

All things second house, all things semisextile. So Ceres is this embodiment of regulating. And so what I'm also hearing from

Kacie Aileen Knight (37:59)

Okay. And so when it's appearing

Laurel Kassor (38:01)

parts of your story is that conscious or not, part of how you regulate your system is through circling.

is through circles and spinning

Kacie Aileen Knight (38:10)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (38:12)

and rocking probably and having a rhythmic. It's rhythmic. Ceres itself is incredibly rhythmic, a metronome. And it is

Kacie Aileen Knight (38:21)

Mm and it's

Laurel Kassor (38:22)

very close to your Neptune. It's two degrees separate, so they're very entwined.

So that came online then too.

Kacie Aileen Knight (38:29)

Makes sense. Sure. Yeah. I always felt even when I was about I started going to raves when I was sixteen, like very, very young. And I remember going this is how I worship the universe, this movement. This is

Laurel Kassor (38:42)

Yes!

Kacie Aileen Knight (38:43)

yep, this is my spirituality.

Laurel Kassor (38:45)

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I am a big believer that music falls under a few different pillars, but the two pillars I see represent music as a big as just a broad concept the most often are pillar two and pillar twelve. The Ceres pillar, the Neptune pillar. And you have them combined. So this idea that rhythm is worship.

Complete sense to me. Absolute sense. And you have this stellion in this in the eighth house. So again, I'm gonna emphasize and pull this back to this was a major identity ego death period for you that was tense in that it forced you to contend with being unsupported unexpectedly.

Potentially in a situation where it's this is what I've been doing my whole fucking life, and I've been training and I've been trying, and this is what accomplishment meant, and this is what I was accepted for, and I was known for this, and then also at the same time being the death of that phase introduced you to the beginning of a new phase and the beginning of a new life and a be and beginning of some interesting spiritual

Elevations, explorations, expansions, reaches out into more of a social sphere, which brings in Mercury, which brings in Venus, who are conjunct as part of the Sagittarius stellium. That's in your eighth house. So that eighth house quality, Jupiter in Scorpio square the moon, as part of this timeline of events, brought in to you both the pain of dying.

And the excite and the empowerment of being reborn

Kacie Aileen Knight (40:16)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (40:16)

from the ashes of that. And so that's what I'm hearing at through

Kacie Aileen Knight (40:18)

Yeah, yeah.

Laurel Kassor (40:20)

that early experience at around, yeah, f 14, 15, whatever that was. Shut up. Fuck that. I love

Kacie Aileen Knight (40:26)

It's eleven eleven here, right as you're talking about this.

Laurel Kassor (40:31)

that.

and there was one more thing. You keep like saying it and I keep forgetting because then you keep saying other amazing shit. Neptune also has to do with altered states. And you were talking about, you know, the kids smoke a pot. Who's

going to raves? hello, that is the altered states is so Neptunian, so pillar twelve in in function. So it's so clear. Clear as day.

Okay, you ready to move on to the next big plot point?

Kacie Aileen Knight (40:55)

Absolutely.

Laurel Kassor (40:56)

Okay, so this one is the last one we're gonna talk about kind of before we start to have a snowball

Kacie Aileen Knight (41:02)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (41:03)

of plot points that all start to happen in kind of quicker succession to each other. But this one will be, I'm sure, very notable. we have Pluto, Saturn conjunction moment. You would have been about

mid-20s. It would have spanned probably a couple of year period

of time. this would likely have been associated with a heavier period of time in our life. could have been, this is when you would have been looking

at and meeting Pluto directly. So far, you have been introduced to Pluto and its pillar eight themes.

indirectly through other aspects. this is when you're meeting it face to face. You're meeting Hades face to face. And Hades brought his friend Kronos with him. Which is to say that this can have to do with there being

some kind of manipulations of power, systemic even corruptions of

the law of government, that's at the high kind of high level. but this definitely can speak to power and authority

Kacie Aileen Knight (42:05)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (42:07)

mixing together in a way that would have in interlocked into service, into work.

into potentially career or feelings of accomplishment.

it would have activated Mars via square, which is to say this would the low-hanging fruit on it is that this could have been maybe a violent experience or a hostile experience. It doesn't always mean that explicitly, but it does tend to there with this c specific combination, it could be that we felt threatened in some

Kacie Aileen Knight (42:43)

That was a pretty transformational couple years for me.

Laurel Kassor (42:46)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (42:47)

There was a releasing of a, you know, my first love long term relationship,

Laurel Kassor (42:52)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (42:53)

because he just started to, you know, really become unstable. So there was that. I stepped into a

higher level position working as the operations manager of a dinner theater. And so I was very young and in charge of a lot of things. so sometimes there was conflict with the yeah, just like people like, I need

Laurel Kassor (43:14)

The authority stuff,

Kacie Aileen Knight (43:16)

a I I need someone older than you. I'm would you like me to get the janitor who can do nothing for you about this? Like I am the one in charge here. You know, so

Laurel Kassor (43:23)

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (43:25)

there's a a bit of that.

and a lot of yeah, interesting pieces where then I went around that time to Shambhala Music Festival for the first time and met my husband in Hula Hooping at the same time and my life was never the same after that. So

Laurel Kassor (43:40)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (43:41)

pretty big shifts.

Laurel Kassor (43:42)

Those are really big shifts. Those are really big shifts. This energy definitely speaks to the authority piece. It definitely speaks to maturity, aging, responsibility. There is something in this about not just responsibility, but also your r responsibility for other people, being responsible for other people and potentially at that time.

there could have been learning lessons around well, what processes do I need to shift that aren't working here in this situation? If I'm going to be the one in charge, if I'm going to assume power and authority, because that's what we're seeing here. When Saturn and Pluto get together, we are mixing

Alchemy and authority, which is also to say we are mixing power and rules and rulership together as well. this is likely to have spanned a couple of years, just the process

Kacie Aileen Knight (44:35)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (44:36)

of it, but it it does look there could have potentially been some moments where we really had to accept that I am.

the one who has to handle a crisis right now. are there any crises in particular that stick out to you that you moved through?

Kacie Aileen Knight (44:54)

Not really major ones, but working in hospitality, I mean, there's always millions of minor crises from, you know, nobody else is there and somebody had thrown up all over the bathroom. guess what? Who gets who gets to clean that? Or, you know, people having medical crises because there was four hundred and fifty people in the theater eight times a week, you know, people would

Laurel Kassor (45:15)

Can you tell

me any more about that actually? Cause that hits a lot of these themes very specifically. Medical

Kacie Aileen Knight (45:24)

it was just something that I you know, I would be the one calling the ambulance. I'd be the one wheeling somebody out if they were, you know, had a heart attack when they were watching a show because they were, you know, at a Wednesday matinee. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (45:33)

You're saying this so casually now because you've done this in so many capacities,

but when you were twenty-three, twenty-four years old

Can you think back to what were you internalizing

Kacie Aileen Knight (45:42)

You can clear.

Laurel Kassor (45:44)

then about that level of of life and death? literally, if you were having to call ambulances, right? Was there anything that stands out about holy shit, dude, I'm holding people's lives in my hands because I'm the one in charge? Okay.

Kacie Aileen Knight (45:57)

No, not that. What I

did do at mi if I can't remember the timing. I could probably do the math, but I was working at the distress center also as a volunteer. And so I would I started by sitting on crisis lines with people who, you know, were suicidal or in danger of harming themselves, and then I became a volunteer supervisor who was teaching other people how to do that. So yeah, that might have lined up.

Laurel Kassor (46:20)

Mm-hmm. Okay, but there we go. There's one of the connections right there because now you're

teaching pro practitioners your methodology, right? So we are seeing how you've been Well, theirs, but you're

Kacie Aileen Knight (46:29)

Well theirs, but yes. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (46:33)

you're you're teaching the facilitation process

Kacie Aileen Knight (46:35)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (46:39)

in a space where there needs to be a an understanding of protocol.

and ability to do things the correct way, otherwise people can die. Right? Remember, this is touching back to the birth story formatting, which again to you at at this point, even at in your early twenties.

You had spent from the get-go being shit, shit happens and we prepare for it So this would have been an elevation, a spiraling up, a

Kacie Aileen Knight (47:06)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (47:07)

next level threshold of stepping into the authority and the ownership of that power that you had discovered and been introduced to literally at birth.

Kacie Aileen Knight (47:15)

Mm-hmm. And this was even reminding me I keep thinking about you're

Laurel Kassor (47:15)

Of there are proper protocols. And this is even reminding me, I keep thinking about how mom had

the doctor she wanted, but he wasn't allowed to be there because of who knows why. Right. And that's reminding me of this.

Same energy, which is well, someone didn't know the protocol. And so there's a reason he was being punished

Kacie Aileen Knight (47:31)

Reason he was being here.

Laurel Kassor (47:32)

for some reason, which then trickled down into punishment finger quotes here, right? punishment of your mom not being able to get the thing that she would have chosen to get. And so I could potentially see how this energy ev morphed and evolved itself into working in a crisis space, a space where you're the one in charge, you're the one.

Calling the shots. You're the one who makes sure that everyone knows what they need to know in order to facilitate what can be very transformational for other people experiences, what can be very crisis-oriented experiences for other people, but you gotta be the cool one.

you gotta be Hades in the underworld. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Kacie Aileen Knight (48:11)

It does. And this is also reminding me around that age, I was doing the volunteer work to get my master's in social work so I could be helping people. And I was accruing all these volunteer hours. And right after I finished my 450 hours, they changed the application requirement to 2,000 hours.

Laurel Kassor (48:30)

shit.

Kacie Aileen Knight (48:31)

So I was

So the authority was no, no, no, we changed the rules. But I mean, I'm so glad because that would be a different route than the one I ultimately needed to take.

Laurel Kassor (48:40)

Right. but that's a theme that's been in your life this whole time too. literally from the moment p your mom was like, I had a plan for her

Kacie Aileen Knight (48:47)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (48:48)

and life was like

Okay, that's nice for you. and so we're seeing that same thing kind of play out here because there is that's why I wouldn't let this one go. I was like, we gotta poke at this because this there's a lot of dismantling that was happening at this time and building simultaneously. And that's what happens when we see things Pillar 10 meet pillar eight. When we see these thematics meet each other, they're like,

We have to destroy the build to rebirth the build to build something new. So it is a different vehicle from the work that you currently do, which is no doubt way more aligned feeling and enjoyable. But at that time, we're

not living in that future setting yet. we're we're still you had the information, you had these skills, but they were being harnessed and honed

in in a mix of energy. First of all, your Pluto's in Libra,

but your Saturn's in Scorpio. but they're st only two degrees apart. So there is something here about being responsible for other people.

it's almost up until this point it was we learning how to be responsible for ourselves with these skills, with these processes,

with these understandings as they were being refined. and then it s feels at least to me it was maybe in this framework of time that some of these

systems we had for ourselves or these expectations or these rules or whatever we're had were being dismantled to be reassembled in

a way that could be of service, not just to you, but for others too. How does that land for you?

Kacie Aileen Knight (50:21)

Yeah, definitely.

Laurel Kassor (50:25)

Tight.

you were so made for this. Okay, so let's scoot

our asses ahead a little bit here.

there is a long series of years where things start to go boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And so it looks that sort of begins right at about

Little bit after twenty seven ish, it's a Saturn return, basically. It's kinda your Saturn

Kacie Aileen Knight (50:47)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (50:47)

return brought in not just the standard k spectrum Saturn return

Kacie Aileen Knight (50:50)

Exactly.

Laurel Kassor (50:52)

stuff, but that also aligns with the Jupiter part of the consciousness.

Looking through

the Jupiter lens of it, which means you're looking back at Chiron from but from across the way from where you started.

It means you're looking at Pluto-Saturn that you just had a few years previously. And you're saying,

wow, we're gonna consolidate all of that lessoning into something conceptually. We're gonna consolidate though that authority and power into a concept of some sort.

This could also be a big time for relationships. Your Jupiter

is right on your descendant, which is very traditionally attached to marriage. or could be business partnerships, or could be divorce as well, just relationships.

and then of course, the Sagittarius stuff gets very highly

activated. So Ceres, Neptune, Mercury, Venus.

all in that house of the underworld, house of transformation, house of alchemy, are all either consolidating their own understanding

or

Kacie Aileen Knight (51:51)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (51:53)

integrating their understanding, which there is a difference, I think, between consolidating and integrating. and then lastly Mars is getting activated too by a very informative collaborative aspect. So it seems like there's a lot of ignition

going on here. Take it away, babe.

Kacie Aileen Knight (52:09)

It was a busy time. some of the most

Laurel Kassor (52:11)

It seems like it.

Kacie Aileen Knight (52:12)

fun times of my life. I did get married, you know, around that time. and shortly before I got married, I had an experience where I had already moved, but I was

Thinking I was gonna be a holistic healthcare practitioner and take a a study program, but really I moved to this new city to be with my husband and do all that stuff. But only in retrospect did I know that. I

Laurel Kassor (52:37)

Yeah.

Kacie Aileen Knight (52:38)

I was like, no, I'm going for school. I would never move here as early as I would because we'd been dating for like I don't know, less than a year. I'm not moving for you. I promised him.

Laurel Kassor (52:46)

it had to be practical, so it was for school

Kacie Aileen Knight (52:48)

Yeah, it was for school.

And then I I didn't wind up taking that. And I spent a bit of time going, Okay, what the hell do I do now? I'm supposed to help people. I wanna help the helpers. And so I had a few years of okay, I'm just gonna give myself my own master's degree, do a bunch of training. I became a doula. I studied a bunch of things on my own. I did a lot of spiritual work. and then I broke my ankle and

realized

what was actually killing me was the ability to not be able to dance. And I had this throwaway thought was, man, maybe I should do something with my life that has to do with dance. And then I became a professional dancer at the age of twenty eight with no background in

dance at all. I became a hula hooper. I found this modality. I trained as an ecstatic dance facilitator too and wove this business with all of the cool shit 'cause I was also initiated as a priestess, became a creation coach. I did all so many trainings around then.

it was just I was learning so much about who I was, what I wanted to share. And then I was this is cool. I can have a life where I can, you know, teach people how to find their flow because I have this innate ability to drop into flow really easily and

Laurel Kassor (53:54)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (53:54)

So when I could add in and I could do this with the ecstatic dance or I could teach you how to hula hoop and have this mastery level flow art skill that will make you feel better as a person and connect you to your essence and do all this stuff. And then I built a business that that did that. And then I brought it into yeah, just so many different aspects of my life and my personal life. And it was all woven together in a really interesting way that I could have never predicted but felt so perfect.

Laurel Kassor (54:23)

Mmm, that completely fucking makes so much sense to me because this Jupiter is about this expansion and this magnification, right? it's where these parts of ourselves make sense. from what I'm learning by hosting these conversations is that when we seem to hit these Jupiter points, a lot of our beliefs

Our understanding, our interpretation, our wisdom makes sense. and itself makes sense because Jupiter is

an agent of pillar nine, which has to do with reach and literally interpretation. Literally, how do you interpret the world around you? How do you make sense of it? Right? What is right, what is wrong, right? What principles,

Kacie Aileen Knight (55:01)

Thanks.

Laurel Kassor (55:02)

ethics, morals, belief systems? That's why religion gets caught up into the pillar nine stuff, too. But it is also about exploration.

Of truth to an extent, but truth subjective. And that's one of the interesting things about Pillar 9 and Jupiter energy and Sagittarius energy, which is really important for you in particular

with all of your Sagittarius energy.

Sagittarius is the last fire sign. And it is

The last sign in the developmental sequence that has to do with the individual. And it's also the sign we associate with truth and religion. We should tell you a lot about just where truth where religion falls in the grand spectrum of human consciousness and development. It is not the last pillar, it is the last personal pillar. Right? Anyway.

With that being said, you were moving

through a moment of depth of excavation, it sounds where you were uncovering through reflection, through partnership, through working with people

that you can actually apply your skills to anchor into your beliefs. That you can make this shit real.

You know, and I think that what I we're hearing through that part of your story is that you are looking at that Chiron opposition from the other lens Because when you were born, it was like, what the fuck? I'm on everybody else's time. Holy shit, dude. I gotta

do it the right way for them because apparently there's some concept of right that I don't know, but I'm doing it wrong. As a baby infant arrival, right? And then

This is a flip over

to you're wanted, you're married now, you

been committed to you're starting your own business, you're showing that you can make it in the world, right? you're integrating these beliefs and these philosophies and you're doing

it through your version of what the right way to do it is. And it's coming through this

transformational lens of movement, which was always very important

for you, even from the literal moment of your birth when you were breached and they could have moved you. And it's so it's if you just moved me, I could have done this the right way. And so it's

almost that has carried

Through your entire fucking story the whole time. And so we're seeing you moving

you.

so it does seem that this was a big moment. And it's really interesting because your Jupiter, yes, it opposes Chiron. So of course you had to think there was the process of figuring it out, figuring out what steps you're gonna take to.

cement the expansion into reality and market and connect with people But it was making that sextile to Mars, which made it be like, well, ideas are just pouring out of for where to go and what to do and who to connect with. And also it was in this connection to all those Sagittarius planets

as the ruler of them.

Right. And so it's not just Jupiter came online, but everything attached

to Jupiter and under Jupiter

association realm also

is coming online too. And for you that was the eighth house of evolution and transformation and catharsis and healing capital H. And

again this is amplifying the fuck out of the Sagittarian slash pillar nine themes of growth, of education, of wisdoms, of teachings, of you know, you mentioned the train I did so many trainings at that time. This is the moment

of the teacher

Jupiter meeting the practitioner Chiron. Right? this is their relationship

working in tandem together. Because not to detract us too much, but one of the reasons I always felt off about the way people had had previously been interpreting Chiron

is because they would call him a teacher. And I was Jupiter's a teacher.

well, they can both teach, which I'm not saying like things can't teach. Everything teaches, right? But like we don't assign teaching to everything, is what I'm saying, right? So I why are we signing Chiron teaching? But what I came to understand through my

processes of my own methodology, of of deconstructing the zodiac and putting it back together again, was that Jupiter is the preacher teacher. It's Jupiter's the lecturer.

Jupiter is the is the grand lecture hall teacher. Okay? It's the professor. Chiron is small group study. Right? Chiron

is practical hands-on in the field, in the lab work,

right? Chiron is practitioner, Chiron is facilitator,

Chiron is proctor.

Right? There is a difference. Chiron knows your name and it knows exactly where you're at in the process that you're moving through. Jupiter doesn't know where you're at in the process, it just knows what it's

what its big picture is for you

to get to. Right? This is the difference between pillar six and pillar nine. They square each other inherently, they inherently have a tense position.

Because one is about processing technique in real time and the other is about processing identity and concepts at large.

Right. And so what we see for you is a combination and a in a built-in measure of your chart where both needed to learn how to negotiate with each other and compromise

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:00:12)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:00:13)

with each other. And what I'm hearing through this story is that obviously at birth there was no way you could have conceptualized any of the stuff I'm talking about. But something inside of you was these practitioners are moving me around all weird. And now ugh, this is feeling weird to me. I don't this. And this is not how they should have been taught to do this.

Right. And so something internalized that. And then we see the Saturn return as you're stepping into your own authorities, you're stepping into your own sense of entrepreneurialship and ownership. You're also stepping into this teacher energy that's coming online. And it is again connected to all of your Sagittarian planets, which again

really deeply include this big loud kind of Neptunian unity, transforming unity thing as an overarching feature of it. So that was clearly a very important and and seemingly quite

a comeuppance of a moment of a period of time.

Super cool. Anything come up for you

as I truly channeled a bunch of that message through?

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:01:13)

No,

it just it all tracks and it like it makes sense. That was a busy time. And it was also still fun.

Laurel Kassor (1:01:19)

That's Jupiter, baby. I have Jupiter and Leo, so I think of growth as

a really fun thing.

Right? So I'm just it actually does flow us forward and launches us forward into what is now the big fucking snowball. that was kind of the precipice. Tip, tip, tip, tip, boo. And then we have Uranus about 30.

30 or 31. The sun comes in

about 34, 33, 34, and then we have boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, from 37 to present. So I would love

to hear a little bit about. I mean, I know I just gave you a a decade's worth of years, but a lot of that happens in Sagittarius coded spaces. So education, travel, expansion.

growth, religion, beliefs, philosophy, and some of it still happens in the relationship quadrants, the earlier bits, the earlier

thirty bits, but once we hit into the mid to present, that's in the deep alchemy spaces. That's in the house of alchemy. So I would just love to hear

what this flow has been or what comes through to you as we sit here talking about it now.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:02:20)

the earlier thirties, around 33, it well when I was thirty-three was when I became a mother. So that

Laurel Kassor (1:02:26)

Uh-huh.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:02:27)

would be one piece right there.

Laurel Kassor (1:02:30)

Big piece, yeah.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:02:31)

Big piece, big initiation. And then around thirty-seven, thirty-eight is when I had another unbidden mystical experience. I could call them in, but this is just me hanging out in my car, suddenly, spirit is with me again. I'm enveloped in this divine love light. And I'm just ooh, hey. And Spirit was okay, put down the hula hoops. It's time to do

Laurel Kassor (1:02:52)

Ha ha.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:02:53)

business online.

You need to be available for a spiritual acceleration that is going to transpire. And this had been in my mind of okay, I'm gonna do this in maybe three, four years. I'm having so much fun. I'm living the life of my dreams. I've become a teaching artist in residence in elementary schools, and it's great money. But it was also exhausting doing that with a child.

And Spirit did not give me the how or the why, but it was you know, d you've been training for this. I had become the belief we patterning practitioner. I've been learning marketing. I have been being prepped for it. and Spirit was stop working with the kids, start, you know, being available for this. It didn't say the word evolution, but that's the one that was thinking. Yeah, this acceleration is what it was saying. That was the summer of 2019 at the summer solstice that happened and nine

Nine months later, COVID hit.

Thankfully, I'd spent the nine months going through another death rebirth and going, okay, if I'm not teaching through hula hooping, how am I sharing this mystical stuff that I have to people? And I started investing in business coaches, up-leveling websites, signature system development stuff. And I was okay, I'm gonna retire in the June of 2020, but in March of 2020, you know, everything shut down. And fortunately,

Laurel Kassor (1:04:07)

Yeah. I d

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:04:09)

I had gotten prepared. So my life

actually just fully took off my business took off even while the world was shutting down. I was shit, this is what I came here for. It's happening now.

Laurel Kassor (1:04:22)

Every

step of the way you you realize this, right? every step of the way you have been totally prepped and ready ahead of time and then tasked with

the rest of the herd afterward. that's what I keep hearing in every single one of these stories you keep sharing.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:04:36)

Yeah, without you know, much information, but enough trust and faith in the divine and myself to be Well, I guess this is where we're going, you know, so might as well just do it.

Laurel Kassor (1:04:48)

Truly a testament to trusting the process, which to me is a mantra of the 12/6 axis Is that that access, its whole thing, is trust the process. 12 is trust, and the process is six. Boom. That's that is such a critical function, I feel of reality in general.

lesson plan on trusting the process. Right. So just a really interesting

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:05:10)

Right. So just

Laurel Kassor (1:05:13)

note there. And that is really important and critical, and it flows so much into this.

snowball in the chart a snowball of time where one thing unlocked the next thing unlocked the next thing unlocked the next thing took you further took you further took you further and it's really interesting too that you I just have to share this part because it's just sometimes the astrology is so literal you just can't ignore it. But you have your sun in Sagittarius and it is

in a trine to your moon number one so it's directly connected to the moon. It also rules the moon.

And you became a mother at the moment that your Sun got activated directly. So it pulled in

the direct connection to nurturing and caretaking and motherhood and labor. and then also the sun is associated with children. Pillar five, the creation pillar, is associated with children. And so you were and pillar nine where your s Sagittarius son is.

Teaching. Teaching children. And then with your moon in the fifth house, it's art, nurturing art, nurturing creativity.

it was just so cute when you said that. So I love that. Thank you for sharing that little tiny detail there because it was built right the hell

in at the same moment that you were saying that you had a child. and yeah, so that that's super cool.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:06:24)

It gets

cuter because as you're talking about the sun and the children and all of these things, my daughter was circling me for about seven years before I actually had her. She was there in a vision quest that I did one time. I saw the back of her and she's just standing in front of the sun. And she her middle name is Starfire.

Actually she told it to us.

Laurel Kassor (1:06:46)

shut the fuck up. That's so fucking cute. Ugh.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:06:49)

She was I was I think it needs to be light, 'cause my middle name name means light and and it was just Starfire. that's her middle name that is her middle name.

Laurel Kassor (1:06:57)

So cool. I would lose

my shit if that was my middle name. That's incredible.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:07:01)

Right, I know. It's it's so badass

Laurel Kassor (1:07:04)

having you as a mother would be a very magical, truly magical experience. hello. Yeah, this show is made for you to share your details. I love the astrology comes to

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:07:09)

Can I share one detail also of her charts?

Laurel Kassor (1:07:19)

life in the details.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:07:21)

It

does. And I didn't look at her chart very thoroughly because I didn't want to have preconceived notions because I knew enough about astrology that I wanted to meet her on her own terms. She

has an Aries and Sagittarius stellium. So she is all the fire.

Laurel Kassor (1:07:37)

She is here to create some fucking growth in the world. Which is great because you are too. you are too. It's a where the hell did she learn that fire from? That that trust in your forward trajectory. You know, I feel that's so much of the essence of a fire element person.

When it comes to the fire signs, I really do think of them and all the elements as their own little trio

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:08:03)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:08:04)

about the beginning, middle, and end of a elemental concept. And with fire as the the spark of individuality, fire is the individual, it is the concept of being a singular entity to me. That's a lot of what fire is. It is that life force.

of being. And so Aries is the spark, the beginning, the start, right? Leo

is the sustained bonfire where we roast our marshmallows, right? And then Sagittarius is the candlelight that we read by

In a library, you know, where you where you read the tales

of the great heroes who contributed to the whole because they were individuals contributing to the whole. And so each one of these signs, and and I said, every element has something this going on. There is element singular, element social, element.

societal. You know what I'm saying? And each phase of development is a is associated

with one of those things. And each sign is a different contribution. when you get into the theoretical systems of it all, I mean I know you know what I'm talking about, right? But it's just super cool to see that because you have such a focus

In how an individual can contribute into a greater collective whole source and expand on a whole, how one person can make a difference. You know, that's a little bit of that Sagittarian.

belief is believing in something means you can make a difference.

So the last thing I wanna talk about or hear from you about a little bit in more detail is this

I really do want to talk about the Neptunian experience that you were describing. This would have been the thing from around 42, 43 this to me is a moment, and again, it's recent, it's tied up in all of the growth that you just described here, but this would have been a very important moment because we've been hearing Neptune in.

in so much of the story of the channeling of the source energy of the whoa-hooping of the swirling of the twirling of the looping here and there and bringing source to earth, right? So I really do want to emphasize

this not just the whole stellium that you have of Venus, Mercury, Neptune, and Ceres, but very much zoom in on the Neptune-Ceres conjunction itself.

in Sagittarius in the eighth house, which we mentioned a little bit of yeah, it's all this eighth house stuff. But I really want to emphasize around this connection to body and spirit.

here and this being of the channel and why the hula hooping and the movement is part of this whole deeply enmeshed into the whole experience

for you and the dancing because that's just another another more forms of twirling

and so Neptune is this essence force

of all that is not in many ways.

Right, it is this ethereal source. It is this agent of imagination, of we're talking high brow creativity,

the essence of enlightenment, of empathy, of compassion, of all of the glowy ethereal sparkles in the world, right? And it is an ent energy that has a lot to do with loss grief sacrifice.

and feeling confused

and drifting,

you know, it can be a very isolating energy as well because it is invisible and that's another feature of that whole energy. Now what's so fascinating to me is that you have it conjunct Ceres,

or rather Ceres is conjunct Neptune. This is so

Interesting for several reasons. One is that Ceres is your chart ruler in my system. I look at her as the one who rules Taurus.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:11:46)

Right.

Laurel Kassor (1:11:49)

And by that nature, your entire life. I know we've given Chiron a lot of attention because

it's right there. It was the first one on the scene of arrival, and it's do it's actively saying, hey, we gotta have physical, tangible, practical methods if we're gonna survive the world.

And it arrived right at the beginning, but it's in the sign

and it's expressing itself through the instructions of Ceres.

So it's Ceres is on the line telling Chiron, here's what you need to know, buddy. Here's here are these methods, here are these problems that I would love for you to solve in the physical tangible world while when you arrive there. And so that energy is really prominent

in the overall trajectory of your life.

From the get. And knowing that that energy is about tangible, physical, densifying, actualizing, soothing, anchoring, regulating, finding comfort, physical comfort in securing is another word I love for this energy. And my favorite for this.

Ceres Taurus kind of second house vibe where your north node is. By the way, your north node is in the second house. So there's something else saying, hey, hey, hey, let's pay attention to this pillar two shit. hey, there's something we should be nurturing over here.

this energy is about sovereignty.

me really fully anchored in the in the in the being that that you are taking up space as this Ceres energy is attached and melded and blended into

This Neptunian channel essence, this source energy

channel. And they're both in Sagittarius, so they both have something to do with let's expand the physical capacity

to channel.

Downloads,

source information, evolution, phases, moving through phase, crisis. that's why when I was can you talk about some of these crises a little bit more? And you're just you know, just crises. People call calling them ambulance, heart attacks, people choking, no big deal. And I'm girl, that is a big deal. But for you, you're someone who has been

Able and learned how over the course of your lifetime to boundlessly expand the capacity of what constitutes a crisis, of what we do in those situations, of how we are regulated inside of them, of how we stay solid, stable, anchored, consistent in the process of growth.

when it can feel scary, when it can feel life or death. If you just know and understand these

ways of being, then you'll be able

to seamlessly evolve. Right. And that's kind of part of this whole overall work that you're doing. And so just super

interesting that that's kind of, you know, relatively recently

Come and and and said hello to you again in a new light and in a way where it is in part completing

finger quotes part of this lens that has been ongoing since your arrival at birth. And so yeah, I'm gonna hush my little fire hose, but how's that landing for you? Does that bring anything up for you?

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:15:05)

It's very interesting because l last year it was a massive and two years ago, big death and rebirth for I think everybody, right? With the numerology

and all of that stuff. But one of the things that really transpired for me was part of my soul energy actually just headed off for a while to go get some upgrades, which feels very Neptunian and I had no

Laurel Kassor (1:15:27)

So dude.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:15:28)

Physical energy and it was picking up codes around the cosmos and then when it returned to me it was

And I was okay, now I feel more myself again. But it was

okay, now you picked up your mastery codes. So that completion energy of you are now allowed to claim and own the mastery that you always knew you would have. And it was very much about facilitating the death rebirth, the channeling, the divine embodiment, the soul embodiment work. And now I could start talking about my work from that level of.

authority. So that completion energy feels very much like, that's what

that was.

Laurel Kassor (1:16:04)

you use the word embodiment and it's obviously it's part of your method is is is literally uses the word embodiment in it. And I remember

I read that and I was yeah, that's Ceres. We're gonna talk about that Ceres for sure, for sure. We're gonna work our way to and I knew we were gonna work

our way to it, which made it

makes it hit so much harder when you're holy shit, you really have been doing that work your entire life. you really were made for this and now you've reached this point where it's we've looked through the lens to see fully and clearly and consciously what we've been doing here and what we can keep doing.

Doing here and how do we can keep

progressing that forward? But embodiment, you know, I use the word sovereignty. I find I to me they're very similar in essence. They feel really similar in essence. And

I I think that it's very clear in your chart that you literally

are made to do this work. but

There or obviously whether whether or not you're it was just what it is, you know, I'm good now,

all good.

Parts where you would have had to toil through some of these lessons, because they're not easy. They're not easy, but it goes to show how much capacity you have built for being able to stay regulated in the face of the unknown, which is a massive

feature of Ceres Conjunct Neptune, in my opinion, about being able to surrender possession.

To a life,

to an idea, to a concept, to a past identity is what I'm really getting

from your work, is that you

really are capable of holding space and facilitating the process through which other people are able to surrender a concept of an identity that is no longer serving them in some capacity. so I love that for you. that's badass as fuck.

but yeah, it's amazing.

truly I'm very I'm gonna have to touch grass after this conversation,

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:17:55)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:17:55)

How are you feeling?

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:17:56)

A little validated actually. A

Laurel Kassor (1:17:59)

Only a little?

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:18:00)

lot. A lot. It's I because I have always had this connection to spirit and seen things that people couldn't see that were, you know, mysterious and etheric and I had no real evidence for them. Now I've got plenty of evidence and and validation and co-creative things with it. But that level of who am I to be doing this level of the work that I am meant to be doing?

That feels through this conversation has been almost completely dissolved. It's well, obviously I was in ninja training camp for it. and I've known that and I've spoken to it for so long. this is also a big teaching of of mine too, right? Of all of it. Everything we go through is, you know, training us to be who we are and what we're here to share in our journey is so much of the medicine. And this is just well.

I guess now what I am planning to do after I have walked through this completion cycle has felt so big that I have been I felt I was procrastinating on doing it, you know, I I haven't launched this bigger version of it yet. I'm not ready. Is it imposter syndrome? Am I it's no, I had to literally go through the cycle. So it just was still gestating. What

Laurel Kassor (1:19:08)

Mm-hmm. That what a beautiful

perfect word for it. I I find that hindsight's 2020. am I right or am I right?

you're it's so much easier to see what what was actually happening when you're looking back afterward and you're god, I just if I had done it before that, then that other thing. You know, so it is also interconnected and yes, this idea of gestating it's

It's still becoming. It's okay for things to take time to become. That's how processes work. And I find that folks who have a keen relationship with Chiron specifically and are no longer misunderstanding it as a wound and just a wound.

Understand that life itself

is a series of processes.

And the more we understand how we individually move through these collective relatable processes, the smoother we're gonna actually be able to move through them, even if we

can't be excused from the process of processing them.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:20:09)

Absolutely. And a long time ago I was told I carried an evolutionary codex

Laurel Kassor (1:20:15)

girl, do ya?

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:20:17)

know, and and now I've I've actually been able to, you know, write it out and be yeah, these are the steps, the processes to evolution. And if you're skipping steps, you're and you're not where you think you are, it's not gonna function the way that you want it to. So the the mastery through the processing of the processes has come through quite clearly.

Laurel Kassor (1:20:35)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. A hundred percent. I think that it's it's really

interesting to be able to meet and now we're friends now, by the way. and and now be friends with someone who has such a keen relationship with the physicality

with the processes of the actualization of the of the field. You know,

You're new to me and my work. So you would not have known how I interpret a chart until I just did it for you live, right? But as you were talking

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:21:06)

You were here.

Laurel Kassor (1:21:07)

about your process up at the top, the reason my body was going ape shit and I was my God, I'm so excited about hearing about you. And I could keep talking about you tell me about your work was because I was seeing so many parallels right from the gate

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:21:18)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:21:19)

where I was damn, we on something together.

same different, same different understandings with your with your own unique like specialties and lenses and sharpened perspectives on it. So I'm just so grateful

for this conversation. Thank you so much.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:21:39)

Mm. I have adored getting the insight into the way that you speak to astrology because it does resonate with me much more deeply than a lot of what I have seen out there. Where sometimes I'm hmm, I don't know. And I have you developed a relationship through

channeling and connecting to a lot of the the planets and the houses and the elements. The elements vary specifically. And I feel

Laurel Kassor (1:22:03)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:22:03)

you have also done that. It's not just mental, it's this embodied process of feeling it. So I absolutely adore that. And of course we're friends and we're on the same team supporting the evolution of human consciousness right now and helping the helpers really own their magic and what they're here to do and to do it.

it with you know all of the power of what they came here for to fuel them, right? you were born for this. So I I yeah, so glad we met and did this.

Laurel Kassor (1:22:36)

So cute.

I love it so much. and our charts are really different. But there's so much

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:22:40)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:22:40)

overlap in the way certain pillars are coming together and meeting each other. And that's also part of why I wanted to do this podcast in the first place. It's we can keep talking about how no, every person is so different in astrology. And it's well, why isn't everyone the same? And it's like, but blah blah blah blah. Well, let me just show you. Let's just show you how people can be very different and source energy from the same.

Spaces that end up creating similar results from different fractal lenses. I have a really strong Ceres, it's in a different place. I have a strong Neptune influence, it's in a different place. I have a strong Jupiter, it's in a different place. My Chiron is also super strong, in a different place, you know. But it's interesting to

see that we're we still we're picking up on certain qualities.

From these different elements together. And it's also really interesting because your South Node is in Capricorn. My north node's in Capricorn. So we were born at reverse

nodes, which is just fascinating. So the thing that you're

here to build and develop. And I've been saying actually it channeled in yesterday where it was like, here's how you will describe the nodes in your system. And I was like, thank fuck good.

the north node is the import and the south node is the export. And every single system has a place where it receives and imports data

and information and junk and exports it back out to the whole.

And it's kind upload download and the difference between taking something

out from the internet collective or putting something up into the internet collective, you know? And so it's

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:24:17)

You know, and so

Laurel Kassor (1:24:18)

if your north node is in Cancer, you're here to download or import into your system.

Care, nurture, belonging, acceptance, understanding, protection, containers, shielding, all this cancer support energy. And you're going to, because there is an abundance and you have to equal but opposite the shit, if you're gonna take from the cancer pot, you gotta give to the Capricorn pot. Right? So it's where there's bleed over, or it's where ugh,

there's enough excess of this.

to export it back into the hole. And so I what I've noticed about this is that the South Node, people talk about the South Node a lot as it's as if it's this really icky, purgy, nasty, kind of scary sh thingy, kind of

a they give it a little bit of a Pluto, Scorpio archetypal essence,

To the extent that like there is a quality of letting go going on, yes, but not a purging as much as it is this we got putting outside of system, taking out of system and putting it out outside. taking trash out of a house. You know what I mean?

And so yeah, it's Capricorn for you is okay, all these structures, all these boundaries, all these rules, all this discipline, all this inner authority, we've got plenty of it. We're gonna have to take some of that and put it out if we're gonna

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:25:42)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (1:25:42)

take in this care and this nurture and this sense of acceptance that we're ready

to import. So yeah.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:25:50)

And at the highest level, I'm here really to bring that divine mother energy through and then create the systems and structures where she can be here with people. So that axis makes perfect sense. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:26:03)

I call it a byproduct until like literally up until yesterday

when I was like, this import-export thing

makes a lot of sense. I was calling

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:26:08)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:26:08)

the South Node a byproduct. if as you take in and

ingest North

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:26:14)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:26:14)

Node stuff, which for you will be that cancer if I'm gonna if I'm gonna accept that this is my role, which you were just literally fucking saying. I accept that my role is a big one. Woo! Right? That means a byproduct of you accepting.

That role and nurturing it into fruition is this export of systems, of rules, of discipline, where it's this byproduct. Well, if do that, then I gotta have a system for it. I I gotta create some structure around it. Right. And so I think where people, where

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:26:34)

system so distance system. I think that was just before I had a structure I had it. Right. And so

Laurel Kassor (1:26:44)

the South Node gets icky for folks is when the byproduct is just left there and not chiseled.

into something. it's less sophisticated than the upload thing, but we could equate this to poop. Literally, yeah, is.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:26:59)

I was just thinking that it's the

ingestion and then you're pooping it out, but poop could either stay poop or it can become manure to grow something new.

Laurel Kassor (1:27:07)

Fertilizer,

yes. Literally that. I think it's really interesting to just start observing the nodes from that space and that quality.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:27:16)

I like her.

Laurel Kassor (1:27:19)

I've kept you for so long. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here and for listening to me yap your little brain off. Kacie,

where can we find you? How can we work with you?

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:27:33)

of course you've got my links. That's the best place to just check out where you want to find me on the internet, because I will be around in different places and spaces from threads to TikTok to YouTube to Facebook and IG. So we're but there's a different flavor for everywhere. You might happen to find me. But one thing, if people are like, okay, you talked so much about what you do.

But it's mystical, so really experiencing it is what will have it land for you. I have this practice that encompasses the energetic work that I do. It's called the sparkle field activation.

And this is a free gift that people can just play with. It's amazing if you're an entrepreneur because it will support you in creating a luminous field around you that's magnetic to your soulmate clients, to money, magic, miracles, but it's not sourced from your battery power, it's sourced from the earth and cosmic energy. It also opens your channel up so you can get that information and just ask a question and instantly get an answer that you can trust.

So it it has so many positive effects. People say it's life-changing. but it also replaces shields. Because

instead of shielding yourself, which cuts you off from source and other people and your intuition and all of that and creates this thought I'm not safe, it's just this luminous field that is of a frequency where the ick can't stick. So the sh

Laurel Kassor (1:28:53)

Mm-hmm.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:28:54)

shit will just slide off of you.

but you're open and available to the things that are really for you. You're not cut off from the magic of life. So highly recommend going to check that out.

Laurel Kassor (1:29:05)

Check that out. I'm about to check that out after we get off this call. That sounds amazing. And I I just cannot help myself because it's a byproduct of the thing that I do, right? Ceres, Neptune, conjunction, the ick don't stick. Is it

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:29:18)

Well

Laurel Kassor (1:29:18)

the mystical filter in which

n nothing is getting stuck. Ceres has do with s stickiness and a and keep things that stick around. Remember sustainability and so and Neptune is dissolved. So it's a you've you have created this mystical, invisible, secure

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:29:30)

So it's having created this mystical, visible, secure

Laurel Kassor (1:29:39)

field around yourself that again allows things to pass through, which is so Neptune, so Pillar 12.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:29:46)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (1:29:48)

And you're doing it for free, which is also Neptune and Ceres

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:29:49)

So I can have to put it downstairs.

Laurel Kassor (1:29:52)

free value, dissolving

resources to allow there to be exchange and flow, you know. So anyway, that was just super cool. I'm in, I'm gonna download that.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:30:02)

That's

the best validation for that. You know, what is essentially a lead magnet, but I just want to give people this tool. I don't don't have to pay me for it. I like to teach it, right? it's just I want everybody to know this because it functions so well. But it's also I just have to shout out the mentors that

I have alchemized certain practices and phrases. the ick don't stick is from a a mentor of mine. So I alchemized all of these separate tools into a thing that then I channeled through that has the new pieces that come through me, just the work that you do with astrology. So that's also cool.

Laurel Kassor (1:30:34)

my god, the freaking mirror is being held up so high. The developmental age method I use, I didn't come

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:30:39)

I think I didn't. I didn't.

Laurel Kassor (1:30:40)

up with that. My teacher did. But I've taken it and I've alchemized it with my own downloads. And again, this is this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say

What you do is demonstrate, right, for us how an individual can take and alchemize and evolve practices in a way where we are able to keep it's almost recycling in ways that are novel and new and super exciting, but hearken back to the original source energies of all things. And I think that's just fucking beautiful. I'm so here for it. Thank you so much for sharing.

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:31:12)

Thank you for having me and for sharing all of this wisdom and knowledge. wow, I do absolutely adore your energy and all of the alchemy that you've brought forward. So thank you for bringing this new way of looking at things to the world because I think we really need that new lensing. it's it matches the time that we're in now, you know?

Laurel Kassor (1:31:30)

Thank you.

It's been really interesting to know my own chart, to move through this process, to see what I'm doing now with it, and to be like, holy shit, I was made for this. I was made for this. it does feel like it is a time where my unique perspectives are now ready to be received, which is really,

Kacie Aileen Knight (1:31:47)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:31:48)

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