EP20 Free Will or Free Love: Building a Family Rooted in Self-Acceptance with Luna Claudio
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EP20 Free Will or Free Love: Building a Family Rooted in Self-Acceptance with Luna Claudio
What happens when your family embraces free love, but your own choices come with conditions? In this birth chart reading, relationship astrologer Luna Claudio and Laurel explore how Venus in Pisces in the 6th house reflects a lifelong practice of learning to love consciously—and making it safe to choose yourself.
Luna is a mother, creative, and the heart behind Love by Design Astrology, where she helps people understand how they relate, attach, and connect. Her story holds a revealing contradiction: witnessing romantic affection and growing up around polyamory didn’t automatically give her freedom over her belongings, body, or future.
Through Soul A.R.C. Astrology™, Laurel connects Pluto in Scorpio opposite Mercury in Taurus with childhood experiences and feeling unable to speak up. Uranus in Capricorn opposite her Cancer placements provides context for a sudden move, navigating two languages, and searching for belonging. Later, her Mars–Moon conjunction opens a conversation about bodily autonomy and the consequences of making her own decisions.
From childhood peer counseling to motherhood, emergency dispatch, and relationship astrology, Luna’s life reveals an ongoing practice of listening, translating, and connecting. Together, she and Laurel explore how understanding your own needs can change the way you participate in love—before you ever open a synastry chart.
In this episode, we explore:
Venus in Pisces in the 6th house: romantic ideals and relational practice.
Pluto opposite Mercury: possessions, boundaries, and speaking up.
Capricorn–Cancer oppositions: cultural identity, family rules, and belonging.
Motherhood, bodily autonomy, and choosing yourself.
Synastry, self-understanding, and building conscious relationships.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Meet Luna Claudio of Love by Design Astrology
01:36 Loving consciously begins with understanding yourself
03:52 Synastry, projection, and relationship compatibility
07:25 Reading life’s plot points: the developmental age method
08:32 Pluto opposite Mercury: possessions and speaking up
23:51 Family hierarchies, microaggressions, and mixed messages
26:20 Venus in Pisces: romantic ideals and practicing love
32:43 Uranus opposite Cancer placements: moving and cultural belonging
46:05 Neptune in Capricorn: family support and peer counseling
54:08 First love, church, and conflicting relationship rules
59:38 Saturn and Mars: losing access to creative expression
1:08:38 Mars conjunct Moon: bodily autonomy and family conflict
1:18:17 Venus in the 6th house: motherhood, work, and relating
1:31:18 How motherhood sparked Luna’s astrology journey
1:34:12 Taurus Sun in the 7th: partnership and shared stability
1:39:03 Polyamory, communication, and practicing astrology at home
1:45:12 Connecting with Luna and her upcoming app
1:46:29 Readings, resources, and staying in orbit
ABOUT THE GUEST
Luna Claudio is a relationship astrologer, mother, creative, and the heart behind Love by Design Astrology. She helps people understand how they relate, attach, and connect so they can interrupt repeating patterns and love more consciously.
CONNECT WITH LUNA
Instagram & Threads: @earth.to.luna
Website: https://earth2luna0420.substack.com
ABOUT LAUREL KASSOR
Laurel Kassor is a professional astrologer and the neurodivine visionary behind Soul A.R.C. Astrology™. Through readings, teaching, and intimate conversations, she connects constellations with lived experience to help seekers make sense of where they’ve been, understand who they are, and consciously craft who they’re becoming.
CONNECT WITH LAUREL
Threads: @astro_aries
Website: https://soularcastrology.com
TRANSCRIPT:
Laurel Kassor (00:00)
Welcome to Orbit Seekers. This is episode 20 of Made for This with Laurel Casser, the podcast where soul-led practitioners, educators, and creatives come together to connect the constellations of how astrology turns from abstract insight to real-world impact when you follow your soul's arc. I'm Laurel Kassor your astro oracle host and the founder of Soul A.R.C. Astrology. And today I have the most whimsical fairy in all of the land, Luna Claudio.
Luna has a Taurus sun, a Pisces moon, and is a Libra rising. She's a mother creative and the cherub behind Love by Design Astrology, where she uses the stars to help people understand how they relate, attach, and connect so they can stop repeating the same cycles and start loving more consciously. She came to this work the same way a lot of us come to astrology, including myself, through heartbreak that sent her into a spiral and a chart that anchored her back to center.
Her focus on love as its own distinct astrological study within the study is fascinating, and I cannot wait to dig into her chart and see the exact recipe of cosmic sugar and spice that makes Luna so nice. Thanks for being here, buddy.
Luna 🌙 (01:05)
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. my gosh, that was so sweet. it was the best.
Laurel Kassor (01:10)
I had so much fun writing your bio.
Luna 🌙 (01:13)
It's the best bio I've ever I can't wait until this comes out so I can keep it forever. It was so awesome. that's awesome.
Laurel Kassor (01:19)
thank you again
for being here, Luna. Before we dig into your rich and vibrant history, so we can understand
Luna 🌙 (01:25)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (01:26)
how you came to this very specific niche in astrology. I
Luna 🌙 (01:30)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (01:30)
would love to just hear a little bit more from you directly about the work you do and the philosophy you have around it.
Luna 🌙 (01:36)
absolutely, absolutely. I feel like in a nutshell, everybody deserves love. I feel like the most baseline thing that anyone can receive is genuine care, genuine kindness, just genuine contact, just someone being there for them. So the way that I came about it was obviously through a heartbreak and we'll definitely can dive into that. But ultimately I wanted to know the whys. What about myself do I need to fulfill myself that way I'm not
out here searching for different things. So I feel like when it comes to people, loving consciously is what it is that I like to share with them. I like to teach them how to love on themselves that way they can reflect and magnetize all the greater opportunities that are out here for them. when you take care of yourself, it seems like everything just starts wanting to take care of you too.
Laurel Kassor (02:26)
Mmm.
Isn't that the fucking truth though?
But it's like when you actually do that work and slow down and really ask yourself, what
Is not working in these relationships. What is the common denominator? I know for me,
Luna 🌙 (02:37)
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (02:41)
the revelation that I was the common denominator,
Luna 🌙 (02:44)
It's me.
Laurel Kassor (02:47)
The moment I realized, hi, me, I'm the problem, it is me, was a big moment. And I think it's one that a lot
Luna 🌙 (02:51)
Yes, same.
Laurel Kassor (02:52)
of us go through.
Luna 🌙 (02:53)
Yeah, exactly. Same, same, same. But that's the thing, is like we move on from knowing and understanding, okay, we're the problem, but we never move on to answering it correctly. We go to dating sites, we read horoscopes, you know what I mean? We do all the things just trying to make sure, okay, I know I handled this this way, I know it was yucky, I know it was gross, but let me redirect, let me figure out what it is that I need to do in order to correct that. Instead of it being so many outside sources.
Let me look at how I communicate. Let me look at how I nurture all these different things. So I still like
Laurel Kassor (03:27)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (03:27)
it all it's all connected.
Laurel Kassor (03:28)
It is.
Luna 🌙 (03:29)
we're all being
creatives in the same bubble. We're all creating the same thing. So why not consciously create love differently? Consciously create health differently. So we can all do this together on a in a better frame, in a better state of mind, ultimately. That's what we hope.
Laurel Kassor (03:45)
Couldn't agree more with you. you're so speaking my language, which we be knowing though. We do.
Luna 🌙 (03:47)
Yeah. we do. we definitely do.
Laurel Kassor (03:52)
Before we dig into the chart, I do wanna ask you just a a question. I don't usually
I don't usually like to seg segment to a random kind of question. But I am curious
Luna 🌙 (04:00)
Yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (04:01)
because I'm fourteen years into my study now as we record this. So there were many years where I was qu not as wizen as I am to the finer points
of astrology and and
Luna 🌙 (04:08)
same. Same. I'm not the shiny gem.
Laurel Kassor (04:11)
and co-creation. So what I'm curious is did you like me, so many people I'm sure who are listening, go through a phase with synastry charts?
where there was a lot of projection happening with the synastry
Luna 🌙 (04:26)
Mm, mm.
Laurel Kassor (04:27)
charts because of the avoidance of the inner work that we were literally just talking
Luna 🌙 (04:30)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (04:31)
about.
Luna 🌙 (04:31)
Yes. I I talk about this all the time. Synastry can get you caught up. Synastry can get someone, looking at the wrong thing. While connection is important, the energy between the planets and the energy between the houses and the synastry is important, it can have you thinking getting caught in Delululand about what you need to fix about yourself. Synastry if you're not looking at it in a way from doing the work first.
it can send you in a to a delusional space where you don't think you're the problem. And that is a problem. It's like in different ways, when I approach working with patrons and clients and everything, it's just I don't want them to go straight into, well, my Sun is in this person's eighth house and this and that and this and that. I'm like, listen, we're gonna start with just you first because if you don't know how you're speaking your own language, then it won't even matter.
what they're talking about over there. It won't even matter. It will
Laurel Kassor (05:20)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (05:23)
look nice. You'll be like, okay, I do fit this picture, but do you really? You don't even know
Laurel Kassor (05:27)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (05:28)
that about yourself. So yeah, I I I try not to get people caught up in this industry. Not at least not first.
Laurel Kassor (05:32)
Beautiful. Yeah,
no, I I I love that approach. I share a similar approach around synastry.
Luna 🌙 (05:39)
Yeah,
You start judging yourself,
Laurel Kassor (05:40)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (05:42)
but it is really self-reflective. You just don't have to judge it. You know what I mean? You just have to go through the understanding
Laurel Kassor (05:45)
Yeah, yes.
Luna 🌙 (05:49)
of it. And people get so quick into the horoscope said that we would be passionate with each other. We would have a passionate type of experience and then you're looking at this person and they're staring at you like
what's happening here? There's no magnetism, there's no fire, and then you get disheartened. Then you start talking all types of shit about astrology. You're
Laurel Kassor (06:06)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (06:08)
doing it wrong, boo. You know what I mean? So I feel like with that type of innerstanding, you just have to put yourself into that place. I I don't know much about myself. In my 30 something years of existence, I am still learning how I like to be loved.
Laurel Kassor (06:21)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (06:22)
I do like to understand how I like to be touched. Some people are hands off. Some people are super hands on.
You have to know that about yourself. Ultimately
Laurel Kassor (06:29)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (06:30)
you do.
Laurel Kassor (06:31)
Absolutely,
absolutely. It's a really powerful point about synastry.
Luna 🌙 (06:35)
actually started
out doing relational astrology of between celebrities. I would just take a look
Laurel Kassor (06:40)
Yeah.
Luna 🌙 (06:40)
at whatever celebrities and see what type of relationships they were in and things like that. And that's how it did my little course study, So I've done that for a while and then understanding the type of drama that person was going through on their own, in their own type of life, I'm like, wait a minute. What they're doing, it's not they're not crashing out. They're recognizing like this is
because of me, I made these decisions and then you see this big old glow up and what's the pattern here?
It's not the synastry, it's not the way they fit together. It's what that person saw in them, that reflected themselves. was it
Laurel Kassor (07:10)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Luna 🌙 (07:13)
was it some type of jealousy underlying thing going on? Was it some type of just, always seeking assurance type of thing going on. There's all different types of types
Laurel Kassor (07:22)
this is a perfect segue into the chart itself and getting into your story
Luna 🌙 (07:24)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (07:25)
so
for anyone new joining us, we like to use a technique on this podcast called the developmental age method. And the idea is that where planets will fall on your birth chart is related to a specific age in your lived experiential reality.
And the way that I like to look at it is that these planetary points on the chart, I look at them as plot points
I
at them as very formative events and moments, maybe bubbles of time where you're very much steeped in the essence and the energy
Luna 🌙 (07:56)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (07:57)
of that particular planet. And
Luna 🌙 (08:00)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (08:02)
You are experiencing your own energetic blueprint. I like to call the birth chart the soul syllabus. So
Luna 🌙 (08:08)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (08:08)
as you're moving through different ages and you're hitting these different plot points, you're experiencing the different fractals, the different lessons from different angles.
Luna 🌙 (08:17)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (08:19)
and they're all building on each other,
knowing that that's the kind
Luna 🌙 (08:21)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (08:22)
of method we use, we let that t take us through your.
Journey, so we can
Luna 🌙 (08:25)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (08:25)
understand how your whole life has been market research for the work and the impact that you make. And so
Luna 🌙 (08:28)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (08:32)
for you, Luna, the first planet that falls after your ascendant is your Pluto. Pluto
Luna 🌙 (08:39)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (08:42)
is in Scorpio here, and
Luna 🌙 (08:44)
Yes, it is.
Laurel Kassor (08:46)
it's in your second house, and it's at about
I think about three and a half-ish years old. So I'm gonna name off a few themes
Luna 🌙 (08:55)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (08:57)
for you around this energy, just so you can have a reference point of what we're looking for as far
Luna 🌙 (08:59)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (09:02)
as a memory or or event goes, and then we'll
Luna 🌙 (09:04)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (09:05)
unpack it and how it activated the rest of the chart from there. but Pluto and Scorpio in the second house, and it's a retrograde Pluto, which I
Luna 🌙 (09:12)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (09:12)
I do
through the course of doing a lot of this work, have witnessed retrograde plan is to do the thing, but do it a little bit in a way you wouldn't have seen it coming. like every time without fucking fail. And
Luna 🌙 (09:22)
definitely. Would I fail?
Laurel Kassor (09:26)
so this event would likely have been scary. The Pluto
Luna 🌙 (09:30)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (09:31)
events tend to be pretty scary, especially when we're talking about a toddler's sense of consciousness and a toddler's sense of awareness. So
Luna 🌙 (09:35)
Mm. With fear. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (09:39)
we can imagine there's a some fear here. This could have literally been a life or death.
Type of experience that
Luna 🌙 (09:44)
And
Laurel Kassor (09:45)
is shown up multiple times as near-death experiences.
Luna 🌙 (09:48)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (09:49)
in Scorpio, this could have and with Pluto, they both belong to Pillar 8, which is the alchemical pillar, which is also associated with the eighth house and the waning quincunx The
Luna 🌙 (10:00)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (10:01)
interesting thing is that this moment in time for you did activate for the first time in your life your Mercury in Taurus in the eighth house by opposition.
Luna 🌙 (10:10)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (10:11)
So, whatever this scary event was.
was it brought online an awareness of a need to balance thoughts, ideas, communication
Luna 🌙 (10:19)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (10:20)
with what needs to be hidden, what is scary, what
Luna 🌙 (10:24)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (10:24)
is maybe o overpowering.
we can imagine it would probably feel not too different to a three year old, that kind of Plutonian moment. Is there anything that comes online for you?
Luna 🌙 (10:31)
No, definitely. I do recall something
around I I had a matriarch in our family and and I know that it had something to do with just not speaking out about things that I was not unsure of. Maybe things I have a lot of polyamory that runs in my family, just open dating and open connections. So I have that and
Laurel Kassor (10:55)
Mm-hmm. okay, co cool. Yeah.
Luna 🌙 (10:59)
just
matriarch, her mother, grandmother's grandmother. So it was just things that in our family at a young age, it was like this is a uncle or that's an aunt and not by marriage or not by any familial or blood understanding.
Laurel Kassor (11:14)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (11:15)
It was just by just knowing they're connected. They're connected. So I feel like
Laurel Kassor (11:19)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (11:20)
when they had children, me connecting with their children, I've always felt like the black sheep. I've always felt like,
Laurel Kassor (11:26)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (11:27)
wanting to be a part of something but being on the outside type of looking in. And that is with
Laurel Kassor (11:33)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (11:33)
my actual cousins. These are actually in my blood family and things like that. So I feel like around
Laurel Kassor (11:38)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (11:38)
that time is when I understood how family treated each other differently. How some family, some
Laurel Kassor (11:44)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (11:45)
some cousins or some friends or some family friends are closer than others and things like that. I do have just one other brother.
And he experienced that type of our famil that side of our family very differently, where he was embraced, I was not embraced. So yeah. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (11:59)
Mmm. Interesting. I'm curious. I'm gonna dig a little deeper into that
because you're naming totally that Mercury energy, the opposition to Mercury. Mercury can represent
Luna 🌙 (12:07)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (12:10)
siblings, it can represent cousins, it can represent aunts and uncles, right? Because those are the parents siblings.
Luna 🌙 (12:13)
Yeah. goodness.
Laurel Kassor (12:16)
The eighth house, obviously inheritance. You mentioned you right up brought up right away. I inherited this way of being and relating to the world through my
Luna 🌙 (12:22)
I did.
Laurel Kassor (12:23)
family. this is an opposition which immediately pulls in pillar seven. Immediately.
Luna 🌙 (12:27)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (12:28)
we are immediately in pillar seven terrain. We're immediately activating this idea of polarity, which is a big
Luna 🌙 (12:31)
wow. goodness.
Laurel Kassor (12:34)
tenant in attraction and desire, is the idea
Luna 🌙 (12:36)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (12:38)
of being able to both attract and repel. You have to repel what is not for you to get what is.
Luna 🌙 (12:42)
It for you in order to get what
it is. Exactly. I I say
Laurel Kassor (12:44)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (12:45)
that all the time.
Laurel Kassor (12:46)
It's it is one of the wisest wisdoms of Pillar Seven, in my opinion. And it is one of the ones that is understated, in my opinion, also. But this
Luna 🌙 (12:50)
Mm. I believe it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I agree.
Laurel Kassor (12:57)
energy, I wanna really I wanna go a little bit deeper with it because there is a quality that you
Maybe danced up next to, but didn't quite name that I would like to dig into a little bit.
Luna 🌙 (13:07)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (13:09)
And obviously, we also have pillar seven we named, which is the polarity, the opposition, and pillar three, which is the communication. You had mentioned.
about speaking up. being told to speak up and learning maybe about how I'm just throwing some ideas out there of what's coming through with this energy
Luna 🌙 (13:21)
Is it Yeah yeah.
Laurel Kassor (13:23)
too is like how maybe I you need to speak differently to different people to get needs met. What you
Luna 🌙 (13:29)
Mm, mm.
Laurel Kassor (13:30)
didn't name as directly that I that is the thing I'm p about to pick at is possessions, ownership,
Luna 🌙 (13:33)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (13:37)
belongings,
Luna 🌙 (13:38)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (13:39)
food.
Like we're talking very physical stuff here. So is there anything that stands out?
Luna 🌙 (13:45)
absolutely. As a as a child, and toddler doing toddler things, I do recall just things being taken from me because they were given to these new children and new families that we were taking in as as as blended families and things like that. So yeah, yeah,
Laurel Kassor (14:00)
Yeah. That that's it. I mean keep going, but please.
Luna 🌙 (14:03)
yeah, absolutely. not being not feeling like I can speak up about
Hey, that's not something I want to share, or that's that's mine. why would you take it? just little, little things. But even at that age, I do remember that I I'm a I'm a giver at heart. So you don't have to take from a giver. You just ask. You know what I mean? But you just ask.
Laurel Kassor (14:20)
You just ask yes.
Luna 🌙 (14:22)
But then being my elders and I'm I'm a child, you stay in a child's place is type of thing that was going on in my family. Children are seen and not heard. So that's the way that we moved.
If I was upset about something, I would talk to my brother about it or cousins that were close to me. But outside of that, I'm not talking to my el my aunts and uncles about things that they've been taking from me, And I definitely I definitely believe and we had a lot of blended families going on. So I definitely believe that it definitely had to do with me having to share things that I was not ready to give up or just things taken from me that I was not ready to depart from. And being in a child
Laurel Kassor (14:59)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (15:00)
as a child, my fear could be.
Things being taken from me, things that I'm not ready to leave me are leaving me and things like that. So I I do recall having those type of anxieties, for sure, definitely. I didn't want to go over aunt's
Laurel Kassor (15:13)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (15:14)
house specifically because I knew every time I was over there she'd be asking me for something or taking something from me. And yeah.
Laurel Kassor (15:23)
Okay. Yeah,
Luna 🌙 (15:24)
Yeah, and that was me as a child, like five and under. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (15:28)
really definitely, definitely five and under. Like for
Luna 🌙 (15:29)
Mm, mhm.
Laurel Kassor (15:31)
sure.
Well, your Sun's in Taurus. So number one, let's also rec let's also recognize, even though we haven't mentioned through interpretation that your Sun's in Taurus, that this idea around pillar two and anchor and possession
Luna 🌙 (15:41)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (15:42)
and ownership and things staying the same, man. Like keeping it consistent, buddy.
Luna 🌙 (15:45)
Yeah. Yes. Consistency.
Laurel Kassor (15:47)
consistency. And that was one of the things that made me want to tap at that placement a little bit more. Cause I was like, hmm, a lot
Luna 🌙 (15:52)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (15:53)
of people coming in and out. It's probably has something to do with consistency. It's so
Luna 🌙 (15:56)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (15:57)
It is it's got the strong pillar two quality to it, which a add a toddler's awareness. It's this is what's fun as an astrologer with these techniques is like you have to scale your own brain back to be like, what would I think if I were a baby?
Luna 🌙 (16:06)
yeah. W if I were a baby, how would this
be scary to me? Well, it would be. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (16:12)
And you losing your stuff, like losing your s your consistent items and your blanket and your safety items. There
could have been very specific incidences where it maybe felt very scary. maybe some there was yelling involved, or maybe there was trouble involved,
Luna 🌙 (16:24)
yeah. definitely.
Laurel Kassor (16:27)
or maybe there was some other sorts of
Luna 🌙 (16:29)
Snatching even
Laurel Kassor (16:31)
or physicality, because there is a physicality here. Like I don't know.
Luna 🌙 (16:33)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (16:34)
depending on how your family are treated punishment growing up Okay okay okay this is what I'm saying like I'm like
Luna 🌙 (16:37)
Right. yeah, we got our asses tapped. We definitely got spankings in my house. Yeah, we we defin we definitely
got pops and and too, I defin I recall I recall an argument, like a big, big fight, about me not wanting to go stay with p family over the summertime and I didn't want to go stay because I'm like every single time I'm over there my shit is stolen. I'm a little and I understand that my things are always missing every time. So no, I don't want to go.
Laurel Kassor (17:05)
Well, you're at the
exact age when it's like mine, mine, mine,
Luna 🌙 (17:07)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (17:09)
no, mine. you're literally learning worth and ownership and possession and what it means to be a steward of things. Like that is what
Luna 🌙 (17:13)
Yes, yes, absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (17:17)
is happening at the toddler level.
Luna 🌙 (17:20)
the yeah, I'm learning how to this is me. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (17:24)
And then the Taurus phase of consciousness, which is from this two to five range,
Luna 🌙 (17:28)
Like
Laurel Kassor (17:30)
which this Pluto moment is right smack in the middle of the middle of this of this phase, while
Luna 🌙 (17:33)
Mm-hmm. I mean opening consciousness, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (17:38)
you're also
Toward sun, so even though this stuff is happening without without your Sun directly connected to it, your Sun is plugged into the pillar itself of this energy.
And so the idea that you were being punished or hurt or scared or
Luna 🌙 (17:52)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (17:53)
yelled at over your trying to assert your comfort, trying to be
Luna 🌙 (17:55)
My things. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (17:58)
like, no, I feel good when I have this stuff, and this stuff is mine, this is
Luna 🌙 (18:00)
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Laurel Kassor (18:03)
what stabilizes me. But then we have this opposition, right? And so the
opposition itself, we mentioned pillar seven, this creates a polarity. And I
Luna 🌙 (18:10)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (18:10)
am, the more I do this, the more I'm like, we really do move through the shit end of our stick first, most of the
Luna 🌙 (18:15)
yeah. yeah.
Laurel Kassor (18:16)
time. it because we don't have the consciousness to know how to how to modulate and how to resolve the conflicts that we're facing that we're dealing with.
Luna 🌙 (18:21)
Right. Yeah. And then we don't have the boundaries
to put into place for that either. So it's just kinda like, Well, it's happening.
Laurel Kassor (18:27)
Exactly. You're at the
and this is such a perfect example for the Pluto when what I believe happens for people who experience specifically the outer planets quite early in life is
Luna 🌙 (18:37)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (18:37)
like, this shit is so out of my control. It's so
Luna 🌙 (18:40)
Mm, mm.
Laurel Kassor (18:41)
out of my control. And you are at a toddler's mind level
Luna 🌙 (18:45)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (18:45)
learning and in meeting one of the biggest, heaviest hitters of the cosmic variable.
gang and set.
Luna 🌙 (18:53)
Yeah, of what's ever gonna change everything
Laurel Kassor (18:55)
Mm-hmm. And
what's at that age being learned through this process here is
Luna 🌙 (19:01)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (19:01)
that my permanent stuff will be taken and destroyed. There's not permanency actually. And there's not ownership.
if the Taurus Pillar Two energy is like, my God, look at this. We we could just be here forever.
Luna 🌙 (19:13)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (19:13)
This last forever.
We know Pillar Eight comes back later in the conscious development and it's like, so about later. So about later. There's this one, the
Luna 🌙 (19:19)
Right. Right. So so
Laurel Kassor (19:23)
only can constant. I got one constant for you. It's change, baby. You
Luna 🌙 (19:26)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (19:28)
and that energy you met at three and a half, and then it would have continued to expand out. But then that opposition creates the imbalance. So there was an imbalance
Luna 🌙 (19:34)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (19:35)
at the early age of it around ownership, around security, around possession. This probably leans into resources.
as you as your life spiraled outward and you age, but then we didn't really talk about the Mercury ends so much
Luna 🌙 (19:48)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (19:49)
yet. But obviously we mentioned the brother. But this
Luna 🌙 (19:51)
Yeah, and it comes in.
Laurel Kassor (19:52)
is about how we think about possession, how,
Luna 🌙 (19:55)
Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (19:56)
how we think about ownership, moving and talking about
The ways that we can change our ideas around what it means to own and what it means to possess and what it means around jealousy.
Luna 🌙 (20:03)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (20:06)
Cause these are all the low end of the spectrums, right?
Luna 🌙 (20:08)
Yeah, of the mercury. Yeah, exactly.
Laurel Kassor (20:10)
But as a child, you were the one being jealous, being possessive, being this isn't fucking fair, you And there comes the opposition, the pillar seven, see-sawing
Luna 🌙 (20:14)
Mm-hmm, mhm. Mm hmm. Right. say it comes to seven. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (20:23)
and then it also.
there was one yeah, okay, so this is just it doesn't have to be true. I in fact I don't want it to be true, but I I'm asking from an ex from a researchy perspective. I was talking to Desiree when I was doing her interview and she had Pluto as her first planet
Luna 🌙 (20:42)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (20:42)
too, and the experience that came to her mind
First in that period for her was her first experiences with racism and prejudice.
Luna 🌙 (20:50)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (20:51)
Now you mentioned you were the black sheep of the family and that you were a blended family.
Luna 🌙 (20:54)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (20:55)
And so my question is, was this a racially blended family? And do you feel like this was also tied up with the toxic ideas being almost like married in? And that's me pulling at the pillar seven opposition.
Luna 🌙 (21:08)
man, that just gave me crazy
chills. Definitely racial, racially charged. The craziest thing I I know. Damn it. Hate that for you so much.
Laurel Kassor (21:14)
I hate I hate that. I hate being right. Damn. Ugh
I do though. I hate that for you so much. But yeah.
Luna 🌙 (21:22)
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely. I my father was born in Puerto Rico. his he's the oldest of eight children and he it's just been him and his mother for a long time. And when he got married, he was the only one out of all his brothers and sisters to marry outside of their race. My dad married a Black woman. Very, very proud proud, Black Girl Magic Black woman.
So it wasn't so malleable for his mother, who was a very Sagittarian evangelist type of Sagittarian. And as a Latina
Laurel Kassor (21:55)
no
Luna 🌙 (21:57)
woman, she was not having it that her oldest was marrying outside of the line. And The crazier thing is when her husband passed when I was one.
My father took it upon himself to have her move in the home with us. Mind you, she has plenty of other grandfamily grandchildren, families, all the above, and everybody was like, Hell no. Except for my dad. He's like, I'm the oldest, I need to take her on, she needs to live with us. This is a crazy thing because not only are we a mixed family and she doesn't like it, now she has to live with us.
We have to see this woman every single day. I as up until I was thirty, when I moved to Georgia, I've lived in the home with my abuela and she's always been the lady upstairs.
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (22:51)
Wow,
wow, wow, wow. There's multiple things obviously many multiple things going on there.
I've really right at this particular moment been focusing on the opposition because it's the it's so loud and it's so there in so
Luna 🌙 (23:03)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (23:05)
much of the story. But it wasn't the only thing that came online at this time. here
Pluto also, its opening sextile with Neptune also
Luna 🌙 (23:13)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (23:14)
came online. And that Neptune is in the fourth house for
Luna 🌙 (23:17)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (23:18)
you, which brings in this family thing and this blurringness around family too and mixed family, I think, too.
Luna 🌙 (23:22)
Yes, yes.
Laurel Kassor (23:26)
And it's the opening sextile so it like this pillar three undertone,
Luna 🌙 (23:30)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (23:30)
which pulls Mercury's vibe and essence of the echo energy and the cousins and the aunts and the uncles. were you gonna say? Sorry.
Luna 🌙 (23:34)
Which is crazy. I think my my
third I bel is even even that is wild to me because her being a Sagittarian woman and a lot of the combat coming from her and then my house third house being ruled by Sagittarius is like what in the world?
Definitely.
Laurel Kassor (23:51)
one of the things I really wanted to emphasize is the hierarchy that you were noticing at that time. That's what I wanted to pull out because I think more of the nurturey
Luna 🌙 (23:56)
Mm, yes. yeah.
Laurel Kassor (24:01)
Stuff around lineage and care and and ancestry and family and what does it really mean? What'sn't fully settling yet? right at this point that we're talking about, like this this early phase, it it it's mu
Luna 🌙 (24:11)
No, not at that ear not early age.
Laurel Kassor (24:15)
more about who's got what I need? Like,
Luna 🌙 (24:17)
Yeah. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (24:18)
who's got what I need? What's going on? How do I ask for it? Why can't I talk about it? What am I not allowed to do?
Luna 🌙 (24:23)
Wha why are they openly receiving?
Why when I speak up about it, it's not taken the same way? why when my cousins and I
Laurel Kassor (24:29)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (24:30)
go and do the same exact things, it's received this way and not received that way? It was a whole lot of that at that age.
Laurel Kassor (24:37)
okay, so this is proving this hypothesis I have, which I guess is not really a hypothesis. We can just call it a interpretation. but
Luna 🌙 (24:44)
It's what it is.
Laurel Kassor (24:44)
I was saying with I was saying with Desiree last night when she was describing this because we're
We're all millennials who share this aspect and have shared it
Luna 🌙 (24:53)
definitely.
Laurel Kassor (24:53)
in different ways, right? And she was describing a lot of microaggressions, and you're describing a lot of microaggressions. And
Luna 🌙 (24:58)
Mm-hmm. A whole lot.
Laurel Kassor (25:01)
to me, I'm like, where is that gonna show up in the chart? And it's to me, I think it's part of this Pluto sextile to Neptune.
Luna 🌙 (25:10)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (25:10)
They're both retrograde, but there's this.
quality between them of there being a a blurriness of toxic idea. A blurriness of toxic idea, an illusion. What's that? Did I imagine it? And that's, I think,
Luna 🌙 (25:19)
Yeah, yep, mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (25:23)
I the the microaggressions I've experienced have not been nearly the same sort of microaggressions ever.
Luna 🌙 (25:28)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (25:30)
So I can what I can imagine is that that's something that goes through your head. It's
Luna 🌙 (25:35)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (25:35)
part of the filter is like
Luna 🌙 (25:38)
Am I treating am I being treated the same way? And are we are
Laurel Kassor (25:40)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (25:41)
we even speaking the same language or am I just imagining that you're showing up for me? Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly what that is. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (25:44)
speaking the same language is so it too. Like literally that it is that it's it's literally it. It's literally
the aspect. So okay, we can stop picking at that aspect here,
Luna 🌙 (25:57)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (25:58)
but it's clear that this was already setting a stage for
Luna 🌙 (26:03)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (26:03)
you to be exploring and curious about
Healing wounds around
possession, around ownership, around jealousy, around
Luna 🌙 (26:11)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (26:14)
in intensity, about about things unsaid too. also, I didn't mention it yet, but
Luna 🌙 (26:17)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Consistency too.
Laurel Kassor (26:20)
Venus isn't a trying to Pluto. So that came online too. So even though I know we're focusing on these
the tenser, some of the
Luna 🌙 (26:28)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (26:28)
like look to be a little tenser at that time. This was also a moment in time where you did get to witness a fuck ton of different relationships and a fuck ton of different types of love. And
Luna 🌙 (26:39)
Mm-hmm. Of love, yep.
Laurel Kassor (26:42)
you mentioned, your lineage comes from a polyamorous background. And so like
Luna 🌙 (26:46)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (26:47)
Venus in Pisces
Luna 🌙 (26:49)
yeah.
To let it all bleed through. Yeah. That's all that Neptune in there too.
Laurel Kassor (26:50)
I mean hello. I hello. And there there's other stuff too.
There's so much in here around that. And we're about to get to it. It's literally the next plot point for you. But I did want to note that despite the the difficult stuff that was happening, because again, three and a half started this, whoa, weird.
Luna 🌙 (27:06)
yeah. Whoa, right. Well that's funny.
Laurel Kassor (27:09)
What the yes. And then, but there's also this, that's romantic.
Luna 🌙 (27:13)
How? Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (27:15)
Wow, there's so much love here, but it's weird because
Luna 🌙 (27:18)
Here, it's Christmas time.
Laurel Kassor (27:20)
I'm also getting hurt. But there's so much love and I'm getting hurt. What do I think about this stuff?
Luna 🌙 (27:24)
Mm. Right.
Exactly.
Laurel Kassor (27:27)
And
so that would have set the this template into some
Luna 🌙 (27:30)
huh.
Laurel Kassor (27:31)
motion and set also likely relationships be may have early become a source
Luna 🌙 (27:38)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (27:39)
of ex of expressive escape.
Luna 🌙 (27:42)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (27:42)
pull pretending to be in love, pretending to
Luna 🌙 (27:44)
I can see the
Laurel Kassor (27:45)
was that just in play? Was that something that you did often?
Luna 🌙 (27:48)
I definitely
had tons of playing house going on and tons of, stuffed animals that was my boyfriend. I definitely did a lot of that. And then two, as a child, just my my parents were very romantic with each other. So just as a child, I was able to see people who liked each other actually like each other. So yeah. Yeah. I know.
Laurel Kassor (28:11)
that's so nice! What's that like?
Luna 🌙 (28:13)
I know right. Hello, I listen, and sometimes I was just like, this needs to be put in a box because and and sold because I'm not finding it out here for myself. You know what I mean? For a while.
Laurel Kassor (28:23)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (28:24)
That's that's was the picture, That was the picture I put everything up against. I was just like, they have that, why can't
Laurel Kassor (28:29)
That's interesting.
Luna 🌙 (28:31)
I have that?
Laurel Kassor (28:34)
Well, okay,
so that's interesting. We're about to move into the next plot point. But before we do it, just to that point, it is,
Luna 🌙 (28:39)
Yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (28:40)
an interpretation we could say of Venus and Pisces in your sixth house is very much like
Luna 🌙 (28:45)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (28:47)
idolized love on repeat.
Luna 🌙 (28:49)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes.
Laurel Kassor (28:50)
Right, like the sixth house brings in pillar six, which to me
I call it the attunement pillar, or sometimes I call it the refinement pillar, but
Luna 🌙 (28:57)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (28:58)
it has to do with Chiron and Virgo and the Sixth House and the opening quincux And
Luna 🌙 (29:02)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (29:03)
all of that energy is about practicing, training again and again and again.
Luna 🌙 (29:06)
Mm. Mm-hmm. Getting it right, yes.
Laurel Kassor (29:10)
And the interesting feature here of the Venus itself being in Pisces is like, well,
Luna 🌙 (29:15)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (29:16)
commit to the fantasy again and again.
Luna 🌙 (29:18)
Yes. Commit to that vision,
Laurel Kassor (29:19)
And commit to the vision.
Luna 🌙 (29:19)
commit to that bubble, that's pretty bubble I have in
my head about what it should look like and what it should feel like. All the things.
Laurel Kassor (29:26)
I think that these early experiences
Luna 🌙 (29:30)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (29:31)
that were formulating in this super early moment around three and a half, because this energy started through the lens of Pluto and started through a lens of alchemy and pain and a wound to an extent,
Luna 🌙 (29:43)
Yeah, mm hmm mm, mhm.
Laurel Kassor (29:48)
it in a very real way got you ready.
Luna 🌙 (29:52)
Yeah.
To to connect, to relate. Gotta just try to refine it. Yeah, sometimes it hurts and you
Laurel Kassor (29:55)
For yeah, heartbreak's just something that happens, man. you just so you gotta keep trying to relate, dude, again and again. And sometimes it hurts. Yep.
Luna 🌙 (30:03)
gotta break it to make it.
Laurel Kassor (30:07)
That and so I
Luna 🌙 (30:07)
So
Laurel Kassor (30:07)
think it it's it's like set up that resilience factor in a lot of ways, I think.
which is really
Luna 🌙 (30:11)
Yeah. Yeah it did. I agree.
Laurel Kassor (30:15)
interesting because obviously one does not become a professional lover girl.
Luna 🌙 (30:21)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (30:22)
for real, a professional lover girl, like without having without a few
Luna 🌙 (30:23)
Yeah. Without training. Without having that training.
Laurel Kassor (30:27)
and without going through the process
Luna 🌙 (30:31)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (30:31)
of
Dismantling the heart and dismantling
Luna 🌙 (30:35)
definitely.
Laurel Kassor (30:35)
commitment and dismantling connection. And that's something that you were doing at a young age because you were seeing people relate to others and you differently. You were seeing
Luna 🌙 (30:43)
Mm. In different ways. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (30:45)
them relate to each other differently than they were relating to those others, which was different than you.
And so it was very multifractal, very multifaceted.
Luna 🌙 (30:52)
Definitely. Yes. I love
I love how that can be seen just so early on. That's beautiful. Because I know for me I'm just like I just know that, you just gotta go through different things in order to recognize what it is you do like, what is you don't like. That that is a part of the refinement period. But I hadn't realized how long I literally have been doing that for. And
Laurel Kassor (31:13)
Yeah.
Luna 🌙 (31:14)
it way surpasses the amount of time I had in my head, that's for sure.
Laurel Kassor (31:19)
Bro,
you've been doing it your whole life. Like, that's part of the point
of doing these episodes
Luna 🌙 (31:23)
Yeah, I've been doing it forever.
Laurel Kassor (31:26)
to show it to like the whole audience. when we're doing work we're called to do, it
Luna 🌙 (31:30)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (31:30)
is because this is part of our soul syllabus. This is an
Luna 🌙 (31:33)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (31:33)
extension of what happens when we get good at the processes we came here to fucking process. You get good enough to help others with it, you know.
Luna 🌙 (31:38)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. And and and the thing
is is it's beautiful to even have these connections with the people that you're doing these readings for, that you're doing this for, because sometimes we even need to see ourselves wow, we really are designed to do this. We really are destined to do this. We really are it's in our whole soul makeup that this is exactly what you're supposed to do. And then doing it this
Laurel Kassor (32:01)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (32:02)
way, able to break it down just how long.
We can add about ten plus more years onto the practitioning that we've been putting out. Literally.
Laurel Kassor (32:11)
for real. for real. And
it's really helpful too, I think, to be able to retroactively look back and see
my God, I've been solving for this pattern my whole life. Like, no wonder. It takes so much shame away from so many past experiences. It takes
Luna 🌙 (32:21)
Yes. it does. Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (32:27)
so much pressure away from feeling like you failed at certain things when you
Luna 🌙 (32:31)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (32:32)
can really see the there was a larger process just unfolding. And it's gonna meet me where I'm at, meeting it.
Luna 🌙 (32:35)
Absolutely. Yep. yeah, right.
Laurel Kassor (32:41)
okay, let's head to the next plot point because it's a juicy
Luna 🌙 (32:40)
I that. I love that.
Laurel Kassor (32:43)
one. Some big stuff happens. So
Luna 🌙 (32:44)
sorry.
Laurel Kassor (32:46)
Scooting our boots, this is almost exactly at your ninth birthday.
Luna 🌙 (32:50)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (32:51)
very at the ninth birthday. This is Uranus we're gonna talk about first, but the way that it has been on unfolding is that when you have multiple planets in one early section of the chart, looking
Luna 🌙 (33:04)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (33:05)
back, it's like, it happened in this short time period, but at the time
Time felt different to you.
Luna 🌙 (33:10)
Right.
Laurel Kassor (33:11)
So it can feel like maybe three different events, but it'll be in hindsight a period of time. Yeah, that will
Luna 🌙 (33:15)
Whole mm, okay.
Laurel Kassor (33:17)
be lumped together where multiple things would have been happening. So this is gonna span pretty much like the concentration of it is nine, where it starts with Uranus
Luna 🌙 (33:27)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (33:27)
and rolls into about 12, 11, 11, 12-ish.
Luna 🌙 (33:31)
No.
Laurel Kassor (33:32)
give or take some. This is the Capricorn.
Parts of your awareness.
Luna 🌙 (33:36)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (33:36)
this is also the fourth house part of your awareness. And so we're really tuning into family, origin, history, the root system, the nurture systems, the care systems that we are
Luna 🌙 (33:49)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (33:50)
conditioned within. This is also going to be a
deep moment of learning about what success means and what failure
Luna 🌙 (33:57)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (33:58)
means to you and to your family I think.
Luna 🌙 (34:01)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (34:01)
it can feel strict, it can feel sparse, it can feel desolate.
Luna 🌙 (34:04)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (34:05)
This is Capricorn energy. So this is just painting the bu the bigger bubble here.
Luna 🌙 (34:09)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (34:10)
Specifically
up front, it started with a surprise of some sort or some unexpected event, likely.
Luna 🌙 (34:16)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (34:18)
this is Uranus. This is on the fourth house. and and and this
Luna 🌙 (34:22)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (34:22)
is Uranus opposite your cancer stellium. So
Luna 🌙 (34:25)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (34:26)
you have Jupiter, Ceres, and Chiron conjunct each other.
Luna 🌙 (34:30)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (34:31)
Jupiter and Ceres are very tightly conjunct each other.
Luna 🌙 (34:35)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (34:35)
They're all in Cancer,
So this would have activated all of them.
To me, this is immediately speaking about a possession problem, something we've already established,
Luna 🌙 (34:44)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (34:45)
was starting the gut hunch is that there could have been something about we a sudden move, a loss of residence potentially. Okay, take it away.
Luna 🌙 (34:54)
Yes,
yes, yes. So this was the time where I feel like even culturally things have changed for me. We lived in North Philly for a long time, up until I was about six, seven, eight years old. Lived in Little Puerto Rico. My neighbors were Hispanic. the person who was doing our laundry, the Hispanic, everybody. We live little Puerto Rico. In home videos, I have videos of me speaking more Spanish than I ever could understand at this age right now.
Spanish was my
Laurel Kassor (35:21)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (35:21)
very first language. And it was because I feel like
Laurel Kassor (35:23)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (35:24)
my father was trying to appease that side of his mom because we lived in the same house. So I was a little, brown girl walking around speaking sp Spanish as my main tongue. So we moved.
Laurel Kassor (35:35)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (35:36)
We moved from West Philadelphia, where, my mom's family could get in touch with us, my dad's family, and we moved to South Jersey, which is only 15 minutes across the bridge. But if you let
my mom's side of the family tell it, you would think we moved to Beverly Hills or we moved to Hollywood or yeah. It was like that big of a difference. And I felt that.
Laurel Kassor (35:57)
Wow.
Luna 🌙 (35:58)
I felt that as a child. And the move came out the blue to us children. We weren't in grown folks' business. I just knew one day my shit was
Laurel Kassor (36:04)
Right, right, right.
Luna 🌙 (36:05)
packed up and we were in a moving truck.
Laurel Kassor (36:08)
my gosh. And it was without your permission again. So this thing around fucking ownership comes right back to roost. Right back. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (36:10)
With Yep, yep. Again, my shit is
being taken and now it's being moved. And now it's being moved to a place that is one not only brand new, but now I have to learn English. I had to take ESL classes up until like I was in around the second grade at this time, ninth, eighth, eight years old, nine years old. I had to take English
Laurel Kassor (36:31)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (36:32)
as a second language classes. And that put a damper between
My my family. It put a dampler between my mom's side of family who was not speaking Spanish and my dad's side of family who was speaking Spanish. So I was like at a duel even back at home. Who can I really connect
Laurel Kassor (36:49)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (36:51)
to? if I'm barely learning this language and my mom's side of family is already treating me different because I was already only speaking Spanish for a long time. And then my dad's side of family
is like, now you're gonna go learn English. So just
Go ahead and do that. Do do the English thing, little girl. that's how I was treated. And I had no choice.
I had no choice of that. I didn't move us.
Laurel Kassor (37:16)
Ugh. First of all, I am giving Baby Luna the
Luna 🌙 (37:17)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (37:19)
deepest l soul hug back reach into time. for real. That's
Luna 🌙 (37:22)
Thank you, thank you.
Laurel Kassor (37:25)
so unfair to the child inside of you. Ugh.
Luna 🌙 (37:27)
Yeah.
It was rough. It was rough. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (37:28)
Ugh, okay. That is rough. That's fucking
rough. It harkens back to not to put the astrology cap back, the feeling cap
Luna 🌙 (37:35)
Definitely.
Laurel Kassor (37:36)
is still on, but the astrology cap's back on too. The
Luna 🌙 (37:38)
yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (37:39)
danger of language wasn't something I named before, but now we can see how the Pluto-Mercury opposition also grew over
Luna 🌙 (37:46)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (37:47)
the time over time.
Luna 🌙 (37:48)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (37:49)
Here. Now this is interesting because this is right at that nine-year-old mark. This is right at
Luna 🌙 (37:54)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (37:55)
the cusp and it's right at the point where we are moving out of a phase of development, the third phase, which would be the echo pill pillar.
Luna 🌙 (38:01)
Yeah. That's right. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (38:05)
that's where like early elementary school is, early learning,
Luna 🌙 (38:07)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (38:07)
that's where speaking peers.
neighborhood, siblings,
Luna 🌙 (38:11)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (38:12)
cousins, right? that is where language is in the chart, that third house.
You didn't have any planets in there, but you told
Luna 🌙 (38:18)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (38:20)
us just by just getting into the
next story, you told us how the Pluto Mercury opposition rolled
Luna 🌙 (38:26)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (38:27)
forward into that series of years, and then here.
Uranus pops up and it's like out of the blue, we're uprooting you. The adults said so. And here it's like,
Luna 🌙 (38:34)
Everything. Your friends. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (38:37)
and as you said in your story, verbatim, it was the adults. We're not in their business. And this is Capricorn. This is all happening in Capricorn. The
Luna 🌙 (38:44)
Yep.
Laurel Kassor (38:45)
adults make the decisions. There's a system, there's a hierarchy. And remember, I said earlier, I was like, it sounds like this is also maybe we're some weird, confusing hierarchy started
Luna 🌙 (38:53)
Yep.
Laurel Kassor (38:54)
to take root for you earlier, and now we're
Luna 🌙 (38:56)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (38:56)
here at nine. That gets more.
More confusing soon for sure.
Luna 🌙 (38:59)
definitely. It just builds.
Laurel Kassor (39:02)
And it activated through the fractal shock lens of like,
Luna 🌙 (39:07)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (39:07)
my god, I'm disrupted. My home is disrupted. My safety is disrupted, my comfort,
Luna 🌙 (39:12)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (39:13)
my sense of acceptance. That's something I really want to emphasize with pillar
Luna 🌙 (39:15)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (39:16)
four. And we're in pillar four because we're in the fourth house. So we're pulling
Luna 🌙 (39:20)
Wow, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (39:21)
from the support essence and and
Luna 🌙 (39:23)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (39:23)
and motivation here. So this does have to do with a sense of belonging and a sense of being welcomed and a sense of being
Luna 🌙 (39:30)
for sure.
Laurel Kassor (39:31)
unconditioned.
Unconditionally loved. Also,
Luna 🌙 (39:33)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (39:34)
this is Uranus in a T square. the apex of a T square between your ascendant and your descendant, which
Luna 🌙 (39:38)
Okay. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (39:40)
means and it's so it's Uranus on an angle, but it is also making direct content or
Luna 🌙 (39:45)
definitely
Laurel Kassor (39:46)
direct contact to how you move through the world and how you polarize.
Luna 🌙 (39:53)
What what what I asked? Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (39:53)
and attract back and
and what you're committed to and the impact you're making and what that waves back at you, you
Luna 🌙 (40:00)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (40:01)
and what the ripple brings back. So that is something
Luna 🌙 (40:04)
Wow.
Laurel Kassor (40:04)
interesting. And so you're seeing this happen. You're noting and I love I mean, I love. I love in the way I love it as an astrologer. I astrology love that you
Luna 🌙 (40:09)
Mm, mm-hmm
Laurel Kassor (40:13)
you that you were saying that it was like a totally almost like a culture shock, even though it was just across the bridge. As soon as you said the bridge, we ha you have an
This is a giant opposition that got
Luna 🌙 (40:22)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (40:23)
activated. A giant opposition. this is an opposition with Jupiter who has to do with culture, which has
Luna 🌙 (40:27)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (40:30)
to do with how we're interpreting and expanding into the world to
Luna 🌙 (40:33)
Yep. Yes.
Laurel Kassor (40:35)
you. And like you literally said, this is literally Jupiter in cancer. And the words out of your freaking mouth are like, if you ask my mom's side of the family, then
Luna 🌙 (40:45)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (40:46)
you we might as well move abroad, man. Like we might as well have gone to the all the
Luna 🌙 (40:48)
Yep, right.
Laurel Kassor (40:50)
Way so far away, it was just across the bridge.
Luna 🌙 (40:50)
All the way right, Tokyo.
Laurel Kassor (40:53)
but it's really you're naming so many of these, so many features of this disruption down
Luna 🌙 (40:59)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (40:59)
to Ceres. Ceres planted a pillar two. We've been talking about her pillar two
Luna 🌙 (41:03)
Mm, mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (41:04)
because of the
Ownership, possession, stewardship
Luna 🌙 (41:06)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (41:07)
thing. The sovereignty is a word I really do love for Ceres and for Pillar 2.
Luna 🌙 (41:13)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (41:14)
So she's activated and all your stuff was boxed up. I mean it's Ceres
Luna 🌙 (41:18)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (41:19)
and Cancer, so it's literally like, we gotta put it all in this little space. It's gotta be in this little space. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (41:23)
Pack it, compact it, leave in the things you can't take, whatever. Guess you just
gotta let those things go and leave it behind. I had no choice in what was left behind. I had no choice in
Laurel Kassor (41:33)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (41:34)
what was taken. You know what I mean? And at eight, nine years old, I'm sure there was things that, I was a very trinket girl. I was always collecting rocks and stones and stuff. I had p feathers that I thought were fucking important. You know what I mean? So
Laurel Kassor (41:47)
Well, they were. So I was literally just
gonna say, I'm willing to bet that a lot of your items are sentimental. there it
Luna 🌙 (41:54)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (41:54)
might just be a lot of sentimental stuff. And that's very that's on Ceres in Cancer. That's
Luna 🌙 (41:57)
yes. I had treasure boxes. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (42:01)
not Ceres in Cancer, and I bet a lot of them are fucking books. I bet a billion of them are books. I bet it sucks moving
Luna 🌙 (42:03)
Mm, mm, mm.
Laurel Kassor (42:06)
with you because you got boxes that weigh 50,000 pounds worth of books.
Like if you could have a library
Luna 🌙 (42:11)
These are all true.
Laurel Kassor (42:12)
if you could live in a library, I bet you would, given the fact that you have Ceres in fucking cancer, conjunct Jupiter in Cancer in the ninth house, right?
Luna 🌙 (42:19)
yes. As long as
it looks like the one from Beauty and the Beast, we're good. As long
as long as it and I'm a Disney girl. And I'm a Disney.
Laurel Kassor (42:23)
I knew you were gonna say that. It was the one in my head when I said it.
Luna 🌙 (42:29)
I feel like that also had a lot to do with my comparison of relationships. Being a Disney kid, that's all we see is relationships in Disney. So I'm like dealing with my outside world relationships and as a child I'm looking at movies like, Hey, that's what love is supposed to look like or that's what
Laurel Kassor (42:47)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (42:48)
The one it's supposed to look like and things like that. So I know all that had to play into it for sure. Disney did me wrong.
Laurel Kassor (42:55)
she sure did, and we do still love her.
Luna 🌙 (42:56)
And we do.
Laurel Kassor (42:59)
I wanted to say for your chart in particular, while while the millennial generation does have this feature that runs through us around
Luna 🌙 (43:06)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (43:09)
exposing the power dynamics underneath all of the systems of power, which obviously
Luna 🌙 (43:13)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (43:14)
like we're talking about entertainment, Hollywood is power, Your
Luna 🌙 (43:16)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (43:17)
your Venus in the opening trine to Pluto.
Luna 🌙 (43:19)
Right.
Laurel Kassor (43:20)
The opening trine is pillar five. the choice pillar, it's the creation pillar. We've talked about in this form of dating before, but that's
Luna 🌙 (43:23)
Yeah. The Leo Ishma. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (43:29)
that's also showmanship. That's all so that's all hobbies,
it has to do with the entertainment factor of it, you know?
Luna 🌙 (43:33)
Yeah, yeah. We were entertained. We
were embodied and and when I was younger I was in a lot of plays and things like that. So I I that's what I love to do.
Laurel Kassor (43:41)
Okay,
well this th just emphasizes further the
Luna 🌙 (43:44)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (43:44)
f the point I was gonna make that your consciousness really latched onto the romantic parts
Luna 🌙 (43:50)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (43:51)
of those those deep tales. Like I
Luna 🌙 (43:54)
definitely.
Laurel Kassor (43:54)
bet you loved I love me if you saw it, I bet you loved Swan Lake or whatever Odette. What one was that? The one with Odette? Do you remember that one? Yeah, because
Luna 🌙 (44:01)
Yes. But I don't remember the name, but I definitely
have been my dad and I, we are big, big classic arts type of people. And that's the whole
Laurel Kassor (44:10)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (44:10)
that's that's our language. We speak ballet, we speak orchestra, we do we do that language. And and that's that's between us.
Laurel Kassor (44:16)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (44:17)
And I feel like even that aspect, he's a Libra. My mother's a Libra as well.
Laurel Kassor (44:21)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (44:22)
They're born the same day, seven years apart.
Laurel Kassor (44:25)
Wow.
Luna 🌙 (44:25)
Yeah.
And me being a Libra rising. I'm like, I thought I could understand you guys, but I don't
Laurel Kassor (44:28)
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, you got all these polarities. clearly the spirit that is occupying Luna's journey.
Luna 🌙 (44:37)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (44:38)
Here, whatever her name, her unknowable name is, she was
Luna 🌙 (44:41)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (44:42)
like, We are doing pillar seven
shit. Like, we are taking we're gonna major in polarity, thank you. We're gonna really fine-tune this one.
Luna 🌙 (44:44)
Listen, we're taking all the pillars. Yep. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (44:50)
so back to the story. did this show up in very much the family and the cultural thing, also
Luna 🌙 (44:54)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (44:55)
like a total disruption of
ha your own worldview,
Luna 🌙 (45:00)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (45:00)
your own ability to relate to people, which is again the the opposition itself,
and then we also have Chiron, which I'd haven't like zeroed in on, but this now it's a problem.
there's this n this problem I gotta solve around all of these ways of being that I
was already having a little bit of fucking issue with
Luna 🌙 (45:21)
Right, trouble, yeah, having some challenge getting together.
Laurel Kassor (45:26)
And it's very multifractal too. And that's where I want to really emphasize
that the Uranus experiences, especially at around these early ages,
Luna 🌙 (45:34)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (45:35)
is incredibly interdisciplinary. It's very
Luna 🌙 (45:38)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (45:38)
multidimensional. It has a lot to do with group identity, which is a very Pillar 11 theme,
Luna 🌙 (45:43)
Yes, yes. Mm-hmm. Friends, schoolmates,
all the things. Yep. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (45:50)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. this energy came online very loud. I'm sure there's a lot of individual stories we could pick out from that. But let's head into
Luna 🌙 (45:56)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (45:58)
the next bit of this kind of pile up we have of the cluster, the Capricorn cluster. we
Luna 🌙 (46:00)
Yeah, the cluster. Yeah. The cluster. Yeah, there it goes.
Laurel Kassor (46:05)
have Neptune here. Now Neptune
gonna hearken back to the Pluto sextile. So we're gonna see seeing Pluto again, but from a a more
Dreamy angle, if you will, or
Luna 🌙 (46:16)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (46:17)
or a more floaty angle, if you will.
Luna 🌙 (46:19)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (46:20)
it does activate Chiron. So while the others are not as loud,
Luna 🌙 (46:26)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (46:27)
Jupiter and Ceres Chiron and Cancer, who is trying to solve a problem, which that's what Chiron does.
planet of Pillar Six. It's trying to attune, it's trying to refine, it's trying to correct,
it's trying to solve a problem around belonging.
Luna 🌙 (46:39)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (46:40)
And that's what it's doing in cancer. It's trying to find a solve this problem and fix this sense of I don't fucking fit in anywhere.
Luna 🌙 (46:50)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (46:52)
So
At this point in time, there is still and maybe even more confusion around whose rules am I listening to? Who, what who makes the rules around here? Who says all this stuff? I don't understand.
Luna 🌙 (47:04)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (47:05)
How am I supposed to know where to fit in? This would be very loud around authority. So, whereas before we saw a lot of it be around the family, this
Luna 🌙 (47:14)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (47:14)
might still be family, but it
Luna 🌙 (47:15)
Mm, mm.
Laurel Kassor (47:16)
might take a little bit more formal authority.
piece two because now we're dealing with Chiron in the 10th which is turning the volume up on Pillar 10.
Luna 🌙 (47:22)
Okay. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (47:25)
And then shortly after this, we have we'll have Saturn in Capricorn come on
Luna 🌙 (47:30)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (47:31)
naturally. So I'm I'm getting the sense potentially that this was a moment where things were getting more serious in a way that wasn't making sense to you at your age, but knew something was off and was
Luna 🌙 (47:43)
Something was weird.
Laurel Kassor (47:44)
having a hard time relating to
Luna 🌙 (47:46)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (47:47)
it. So if you don't mind, take it away.
Luna 🌙 (47:49)
Yeah, yeah, of course.
around this time I feel we were still getting solidified living in Jersey. Everything was still we're still unpacking. I feel like when we moved to Jersey we were unpacking for the next five years anyway. And
Laurel Kassor (48:02)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (48:03)
I I I it it was just ongoing. Yeah. Just literally
Laurel Kassor (48:06)
That's very symbolic of that opposition, by the way. I mean, just saying.
Luna 🌙 (48:10)
unpack.
Laurel Kassor (48:11)
Yeah, just continuously like that's Chiron up in that shit, just again and again trying to take out the stuff that was tucked away safely. Yep.
Luna 🌙 (48:19)
Yeah. Literally, literally. Tucked
and saved, we'll say. But I know
Laurel Kassor (48:23)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (48:24)
during that time it was one of those times where I I do have a very challenging relationship with my mother. And around that
Laurel Kassor (48:31)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (48:33)
time, because I was torn between connecting with my actual family and wanting to fit in at school, but still trying to get the language right. it was a whole lot of things that
I didn't have a grasp on in my age on how to connect with people around me.
Laurel Kassor (48:48)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (48:49)
It's like my mom took the time to get me to think that she was always in my corner or that w she was rooting for me, which in her way she was, but not in a way
Laurel Kassor (48:59)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (49:00)
where it would make sense to a a daughter, you know, not in a way where it's like, you you do care or you do you are on my in my corner, you are my friend type of thing.
I know that
Laurel Kassor (49:11)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (49:12)
even still to this day, my mother and I have that type of just energy with each other. It's just I know you want to support me, but you want to support me in your own way. And that's not in alignment with me. So it was even back then. so it was even back then. And me wanting
Laurel Kassor (49:24)
Yeah. Yeah. totally. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (49:28)
to I wanna say wanting to show up as a certain way to be accepted by my family, be accepted by my friends at school.
And then the I feel like the authoritarian side of it was in school. When I was
Laurel Kassor (49:44)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (49:46)
when I was going to these classes and getting better, just I want to say second, third grade, fourth grade, I started to they started to train me to be a mentor, a junior counselor. Yeah,
Laurel Kassor (50:01)
Cute.
Luna 🌙 (50:02)
that's when this started. When I started having to sit
in classes with my peers about why they were disagreeing or why they weren't coming together to solve a certain thing. So I low key was the authoritarian, but I had someone over top of me like this is what yeah, it was yes. It was just Yeah. You speak child, speak to these children. And that's what I had to do
Laurel Kassor (50:21)
It was just scaled, yes. To a child's level. And that's the whole point, right? Like it's scaled to a child's level. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (50:32)
in I wanna say started this summer I
was in the third grade is when they asked me. And I was just like, okay,
Laurel Kassor (50:38)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (50:39)
I didn't know what it was about. And my mom was like, you can do this, you want to fit in, you want to connect with people. This is how you're gonna get, how you're gonna do this. And I was like, okay. And then that's what I was doing. I was getting pulled out of my journaling class just to go sit in this class with these two children who just got into a fight or someone stole somebody's snacks or just just little kid things. But I had to be
I had to be there to talk to them. I had to be there to ask the questions. And it's so crazy to me to think how well, it's not crazy. it makes sense why even when I got out of, grade school, how I wanted to continue in a counselling type of direction. It's because of the relation. It's because of the connecting. Hell no. Hell no. Mm
Laurel Kassor (51:16)
Right, but when you're in it, you're not thinking about it like that.
Veronica
Dietz taught me the the quote, you can't you can't read the label from inside the jar. And I'm like, damn, that's so true. yeah.
Luna 🌙 (51:26)
Whatever.
Laurel Kassor (51:28)
So it's like you can't see that that's the fucking reason 'cause it's something you're already doing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (51:31)
'Cause that's what that's literally the sauce. It was already in there. I that's all that I that
I was doing. And I was I took it as a challenge on myself because I like challenges. And I I
Laurel Kassor (51:40)
Yeah, totally.
Luna 🌙 (51:42)
I was just like, Okay, well, I want to speak better at English, so let me get better and and speak to my peers. And that's just how I took it. And that was how I was able to begin creating my own family, creating my own connections.
And I feel like that has a lot to do with my just my fourth pillar in general is just being
Laurel Kassor (52:02)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (52:03)
able to do it for myself because I
Laurel Kassor (52:06)
Totally.
Luna 🌙 (52:07)
couldn't grasp at it on my own when I was younger too.
Laurel Kassor (52:11)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. I think yeah, it rolls us very naturally into Saturn, into the Saturn
Luna 🌙 (52:15)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (52:16)
part of the pillar. Cause I said, when we when they're close like that to us now, it's like, yeah, that was all one tumble. But before we hit to the Saturn part, which we will, I
Luna 🌙 (52:22)
Yeah, it's all together. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (52:26)
do want to make a couple of just observations in from the chart around this like Neptunian.
moment. It sounds like you may have started that process
Luna 🌙 (52:36)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (52:36)
of being the peer counselor a little bit before Neptune actually came online, but what you were definitely speaking to were the skills that you were r walking into.
Luna 🌙 (52:48)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (52:49)
Now I'm wondering, because the Neptune moment is about 10. So
Luna 🌙 (52:53)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (52:53)
a little bit after it would be a little bit after third grade, more like fourth or fifth. And so I just want to point out what it came online at the Neptune moment because it is the skill to speak, because Neptune is in a trine to your Mercury, who
Luna 🌙 (53:07)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (53:09)
we know has.
been involved since early.
I'm wondering if there was maybe specific events that were going on within the peer counseling. Because Mercury can represent peers to us. So this would be consistent with the peer counseling.
Luna 🌙 (53:21)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (53:22)
The literal Chiron as a facilitator,
Luna 🌙 (53:25)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (53:27)
Mercury as a translator. there is this like those two are in a loose sextile to each other,
Luna 🌙 (53:33)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (53:33)
but we have them right now both being spoke, both being
channeled through Neptune at the
foundational level. So I'm just wondering if also with,
Luna 🌙 (53:39)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (53:40)
Venus brought in here too. Your Neptune is in a tight sextile to Venus.
Luna 🌙 (53:42)
I was just about to say something about that. this is funny.
Laurel Kassor (53:49)
Venus is at every one of these moments being like, hey, it's cute. Don't worry, girl. You're gonna love it. It's all gonna be good. Don't worry. We're gonna figure it out, honey.
Luna 🌙 (53:53)
Yeah, yeah, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. So this
is so funny. I feel like this is around the time where we met my first love ever.
Laurel Kassor (54:06)
So be it okay. Tell us, tell us.
Luna 🌙 (54:08)
Yes. And he's a preacher's kid. And that was
the very first time I've ever been involved in religion in church. So I met him through being his peer counselor in our same he's the same grade as I was. We were both in the third grade. Yeah. And he's been around for y he's still around. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (54:33)
my
god, stop it.
Luna 🌙 (54:36)
Yeah, I was I
was around ten years old. I was around ten years old and that's the first time I ever started going to church. through
his family, because his family he's the preacher's kid, it was his family's church.
Laurel Kassor (54:45)
and this would
be part of the chosen family that you were like a you were
Luna 🌙 (54:47)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (54:48)
saying earlier, but didn't like why would you have specified this
Luna 🌙 (54:51)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (54:51)
particular thing, right? but it fits into what you my God, dude. I'm losing it. I'm losing it.
Luna 🌙 (54:54)
Yes. Mm-hmm. Yes,
yes. And then too, this was also around the same time when my my mom has always been the the type of keeping up with the Joneses type of woman, you know. So
Laurel Kassor (55:05)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (55:06)
that's just always been her vibe. But when we started going to church, it was like that was a part of her attire with our family.
Laurel Kassor (55:13)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (55:14)
we were now known as the ones who not only moved out of the city
Jersey, we're now the ones who go to church now every Sunday and do the brunch thing after service and that was us now. So that wasn't my choice. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (55:29)
Yeah. There's the cancer. There's that fucking pillar four shit. And then this is all in the fourth house.
even as you just tell that bit, we're seeing a process unfold of I don't belong to love. I belong in love. Because love brings me community and
Luna 🌙 (55:39)
Nope. Yep. Acceptance. There's eternal love. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (55:46)
Love brings me support and love brings me family and so partnering
Luna 🌙 (55:49)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (55:50)
with people and you're
again you're coming from a lineage where polyam is is totally normal. It's just a thing that we do
Luna 🌙 (55:55)
Is the thing, yep. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (55:59)
so it's like i i reinforcing this conditioning around the rules of love in many ways that you already
Luna 🌙 (56:05)
Yeah. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (56:07)
had, cycling them back, but demonstrating them to you in a really unique way while
Luna 🌙 (56:13)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (56:14)
and almost
and here it is with these fucking retrogrades. I knew it. I knew they would come
Luna 🌙 (56:17)
definitely.
Laurel Kassor (56:17)
through in such an interesting way. Because, this would be stuff that would not that I was in your house with you growing up, but I can imagine would have been normal lessons that were trying to be instilled.
Luna 🌙 (56:28)
Mm, mm.
Laurel Kassor (56:29)
And yet, your lived experiences were like, I hear what you're saying, and I raise you my lived experiences, where I do not feel those things you're telling me.
Luna 🌙 (56:33)
Yeah, but this is different. Yeah,
exactly. I'm not seeing what the input you're inputting is. It's not it's not the output.
Laurel Kassor (56:41)
And that is the nature of planets in retrograde.
there's still other things, like we said, but it is really interesting to see how this was also a moment where one of those early circuits was able to actually close itself. And you're like, that
Luna 🌙 (56:54)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (56:56)
thing that they were telling me the whole time. I just needed to pick my own family to do it with.
Luna 🌙 (56:59)
Yeah,
yeah, exactly.
Laurel Kassor (57:01)
and partner
with in this process of learning how to relate and belong.
Luna 🌙 (57:05)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (57:06)
Relate and belong, relate and belong. So there's just a lot going on there. And obviously
Luna 🌙 (57:10)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (57:12)
him being the the pastor's son or the the preacher's son is very
Luna 🌙 (57:15)
Yeah, the huh. He's a pastor's kid.
Laurel Kassor (57:18)
much the pastor's kid is like very much the authority piece.
Luna 🌙 (57:22)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (57:24)
the authority piece of the Capricorn there spirit like spiritual leader, spiritual authority being an anyway.
Luna 🌙 (57:25)
Yeah. Yeah. And then
too,
having the lifestyle that knowing the lifestyle of my family and how it's just gener generally accepted, just not really spoken so much about, is the opposite of what I see in religion. So it's just like everything that I know about how to love someone for them and not worry about the who's who's is like it's a slap in the face now because now I'm like
learning that that's not right. that's a sin now. And now all the other forms of thinking come into play at that young age. Cause from what I knew, I
Laurel Kassor (58:00)
Mm-hmm. And
Luna 🌙 (58:02)
knew that I can like this guy and that guy over there and maybe that girl over there. I had no
Laurel Kassor (58:06)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (58:07)
no barriers on that until I started
Laurel Kassor (58:09)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (58:10)
going to church, which was not my choice, but I started learning these things like, man, I'm doing it wrong. Am I doing this wrong?
Laurel Kassor (58:17)
Mm-hmm.
this opposition to Chiron, who is like, I'm wrong. Huh. And then Jupiter,
Luna 🌙 (58:23)
I'm wrong? Huh?
Laurel Kassor (58:25)
who is also
With Ceres, who has a lot to do with how physically secure we feel, or regulated we feel, or self-possessed we feel. It has a lot to do with body, it has a lot to do with a bunch of other stuff.
but it's all in the ninth house. And one of the things about this is pillar it stacks up on pillar nine,
Luna 🌙 (58:42)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (58:43)
the reach and the expansion pillar, which also has to do with religion.
Luna 🌙 (58:47)
Yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (58:48)
Obviously. it also has a lot to do with judgment.
Luna 🌙 (58:50)
Excuse me.
Laurel Kassor (58:52)
As well, and
Luna 🌙 (58:53)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (58:53)
being judged and righteousness. And so, when you were talking about your grandma and just describing her earlier as a very devout evangelical
Luna 🌙 (59:03)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (59:03)
Sagittarius, knowing that she's a Sagittarius, I can't explain how much that amplified the amount of understanding that gave me about who she is
Luna 🌙 (59:11)
what?
Laurel Kassor (59:12)
as a because the one of the shadows of the Pillar 9 energy
Luna 🌙 (59:16)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (59:16)
is dogma.
Luna 🌙 (59:18)
definitely. Mm-hmm. Yes,
Laurel Kassor (59:18)
and zealot, you know.
This is where Neptune comes in, and also Neptune creates illusions. So it could feel very dreamy, but it also could feel maybe a little nightmary. It could also
Luna 🌙 (59:26)
yeah. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (59:28)
feel a little like, is this my real? What's happening here? What is even real
Luna 🌙 (59:31)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (59:32)
anymore? let's scoot our boots up to about age 12-ish,
Luna 🌙 (59:37)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (59:38)
maybe 11 and a half, 12-ish. this is Saturn.
Saturn is in the fourth house with the other two. It is in Capricorn. So we have a a loudness here.
and Saturn is making one aspect, only one aspect, and that
Luna 🌙 (59:52)
Hmm. Interesting.
Laurel Kassor (59:54)
is
Mars is making a waxing semi-sextile to Saturn.
Your Mars is 29 degrees, 59 minutes, Aquarius, which
Luna 🌙 (1:00:01)
Mm, mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:03)
is totally noteworthy of its own thing. It is
Luna 🌙 (1:00:06)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:06)
conjuncture moon, which when you were talking about me and my mom have this
Chal how challenging relationship. Hello, there, there we go.
Luna 🌙 (1:00:11)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:13)
There. We'll get into that soon.
But this is also the first time in your chart we're meeting your Mars around
Luna 🌙 (1:00:18)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:19)
this 11 or 12-ish moment. And this is got to do with some sort of restriction. Some sort
Luna 🌙 (1:00:26)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:27)
the way I would interpret it is certainly there's a loud ruling that you
Luna 🌙 (1:00:31)
Wow, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:32)
can't do that. It could be a denial, it could be a block, it could be about.
Dating, even you were already
Luna 🌙 (1:00:37)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:37)
dating a little bit there. This is Mars in the fifth house, which is why I say that. This is gonna pull in the moon naturally, just because Mars itself is in conjunction with the moon. So
Luna 🌙 (1:00:43)
Okay. It's in there. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:47)
it's gonna pull in stuff, so it could be directly related to mom. This is
Luna 🌙 (1:00:50)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:50)
still from the fourth house, so we know it does have something to do with our family and our foundations and our sense of belonging.
Luna 🌙 (1:00:56)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:00:57)
again, rules, order could be strict, restrictions, limitations because of the
Waxing semi-sextile, we
Luna 🌙 (1:01:05)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:01:05)
are pulling back into Pillar two again.
Luna 🌙 (1:01:08)
Right.
Laurel Kassor (1:01:09)
So again, this undertone of possession, belonging. when we see pillar two come through via aspect
Luna 🌙 (1:01:16)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:01:17)
via the semi-sextile, it I notice
it tends to take on a consolidation type of tone or a slowing type of
Luna 🌙 (1:01:23)
Mm, ya, mhm.
Laurel Kassor (1:01:26)
tone with Saturn and Capricorn both involved. This straight up could be.
be a denial or a severing of some sort,
Luna 🌙 (1:01:33)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:01:34)
given Mars is here too, a detachment of something. So I I've I've yakked for a long time. what
Luna 🌙 (1:01:38)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:01:40)
comes up for you around that time period?
Luna 🌙 (1:01:42)
So for around then I used to go to this school of the arts. And around that time was the time that was my last year, around twelve or thirteen years old. I was I was severed because my mother and father my mom didn't think it was worth taking the trip to and from Philly all the time that I needed to be there in order to be a part of this school of the arts. And my father, who was an art teacher,
Obviously he fought against it, but my father is a very non-confrontational type of person. My mom is literally the complete opposite. She seeks
Laurel Kassor (1:02:14)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:02:15)
confrontation. So for her, it was her putting her foot down and my dad was acquiescing. And for me, yet again, this
Laurel Kassor (1:02:23)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:02:24)
got shit to do with me. I don't make the choices. I can't just hop on a bus and go on my own. I had to stop doing something that genuinely I loved to do. Genuinely it was ab I was able to express myself. I danced, I created art, I
we did all learned paper mache. we did all the things. But I was around twelve or thirteen years old when I had to tell all my friends that I wouldn't see them anymore. I had to tell my teachers that I wouldn't see them
Laurel Kassor (1:02:47)
Hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:02:48)
anymore. It was just that was around the time where I realized that I was I was worried about my creativity. I was worried can I s can I still do this after this? I know that you're taking this away from me, but how will I do this now?
How will I express these parts
Laurel Kassor (1:03:04)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:03:06)
of me now? And I remember even thinking then I I had a grudge with my mom a long time over that. A very long time. A very, very long time. But it also makes me think about how around that time, it's when I became a woman, I started my cycle, and my mom was trying to, I guess, become closer. And felt
She had used the example of now that I won't have to spend my time in the art school that I can spend my time with her and learn how to become a woman type of vibe. And that's that's literally what she had said at the time.
Laurel Kassor (1:03:40)
wow.
Luna 🌙 (1:03:40)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it was all around the same time. Yeah. Yeah, she was very much
Laurel Kassor (1:03:43)
Yeah, just an interesting way of phrase of phrasing that. Yeah. Mm-mm. Okay.
Luna 🌙 (1:03:48)
she was very much the
Sh it's it's always weird to me because being a Libra, a Venusian, I would have thought that she would appreciate the arts in some type of way. But with my mom, her arts are like knitting and stitching and just the little hand things. It's not so much the grand scheme. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:04:04)
Hmm. She's got an earthy thing.
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:04:08)
This is how you can direct this energy
and that is all. And and her her desire to want that connection with me so bad, I feel like is what pushed me away because she wanted to ex out all the things that were causing me a distraction. So I know that I wasn't
Laurel Kassor (1:04:24)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:04:25)
dating at that time yet.
But I definitely was interested and I was asking all the questions. And I feel like around then she's like, Well, you're done with that art school. Now I can teach you how to be a woman, or now I can, answer all the questions that you might have. And that was her way to try to bond. And
for me, it just it just pushed me further away.
Laurel Kassor (1:04:46)
Mm. Mm. I'm like, there are a lot of different aspects of
Luna 🌙 (1:04:51)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:04:51)
this of that story that are definitely coming through, even just in this literally one aspect. it's just one aspect, so it's gonna
Luna 🌙 (1:04:56)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:04:57)
be very poignantly pointed here.
Luna 🌙 (1:04:59)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:01)
obviously the arts
Education is the art stuff is gonna be the fifth house. The bars with the moon conjunction in the fifth house, it is the expression, is the creativity, is the friends, it is the validation, how will I express myself. that makes so much sense that that
Luna 🌙 (1:05:13)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:15)
was a big piece of the puzzle here. obviously you already called it out when you were like, Again, I didn't make these decisions. The family made it for me, the hierarchy made it for me,
Luna 🌙 (1:05:25)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:26)
the re
One of the things that came through to me as you were saying that is this interesting juxtaposition where it's like there's a lot of freedom of love to be had in your family growing up. There's a lot
Luna 🌙 (1:05:38)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:38)
of freedom of expressing love and connection and relationship, but not a lot of freedom of choice, which
Luna 🌙 (1:05:43)
No. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:44)
I think might be part of an interesting dynamic in that is playing out through your story there. So that came up too, that this seems to just, repeat and echo in various
Luna 🌙 (1:05:54)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:55)
ways.
Luna 🌙 (1:05:55)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:55)
at various
time at various timetables.
Luna 🌙 (1:05:57)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:05:58)
And so one of the other things too, I think, is this idea of the cycle coming
Luna 🌙 (1:06:05)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:06:05)
in. Really
Sparked my attention because one of the things I associate with pillar two, the anchor pillar, is actually hormones
Luna 🌙 (1:06:14)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (1:06:14)
and cycles, and that which governs the stable, predictable nature
Luna 🌙 (1:06:20)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:06:22)
of all things, including the body.
Luna 🌙 (1:06:23)
Yeah, including the body, right.
Laurel Kassor (1:06:24)
What's interesting here is that it's coinciding this stopping the authorities in your life, once again, the the familial authorities in your life stopping you.
Luna 🌙 (1:06:35)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:06:36)
And when we have Mars and Saturn in a connection, it's like they it's either like breaks and gas at the same time, which is also what we're hearing in the in this story. you wanted to keep going. And they were like, Well, we can't agree, so no. yep.
Luna 🌙 (1:06:44)
Literally? Yeah. Exactly. Is that now? Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:06:51)
And so
then your mom, finger quotes your "won" out, and it's interesting because the moon's involved and the moon does represent mother, and so it's like a little bit more weighed into the mother. and
The cycle coming up when
Luna 🌙 (1:07:02)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:03)
pillar two is involved. And so it's like we're stopping this self-expression, but we're still under
Luna 🌙 (1:07:08)
to starting.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:08)
the control of other people. And now
Luna 🌙 (1:07:11)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:11)
we're being directed, which is again a very Saturn Mars combo situation. We're being directed,
Luna 🌙 (1:07:16)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:17)
the rules of how I need to proceed forth into womanhood, which is so that Mars
Luna 🌙 (1:07:21)
Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:23)
moon conjunction. And it's Saturn.
Luna 🌙 (1:07:24)
Yes,
Laurel Kassor (1:07:26)
being like mom's gonna lay out the rules on how to be a woman and it's that second or it's the waxing semi creating this this slowdown, this fertilization, this quite literal quite physical, like
Luna 🌙 (1:07:36)
Yeah, physical, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:38)
Fertilization, literal slowing down, literal the body
Luna 🌙 (1:07:41)
literal slowing down.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:44)
cramps and contracts and like it
Luna 🌙 (1:07:46)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:47)
becomes harder to move. And that is that not part of the whole pillar two anchoring point. Like in
Luna 🌙 (1:07:51)
It is.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:51)
your mom's like, We're anchoring you here.
And we're disconnecting you from this self-expression. That's how
Luna 🌙 (1:07:53)
Yep. Mm hmm. Just like pressure.
Laurel Kassor (1:07:58)
it was experienced through you. And there's that Mars in
Luna 🌙 (1:08:01)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:02)
Aquarius. And in the last fucking seconds of Aquarius it could possibly be in. Really pulling up the most full expression of
Luna 🌙 (1:08:11)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:11)
what does it mean
to detach from the familial systems and do what I want to do. And that
Luna 🌙 (1:08:15)
Yeah. Want to do. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:19)
is
so big on choice because then we have this fifth house
Luna 🌙 (1:08:21)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:22)
thing. So this thing that's been haunting its way through the story is starting to become very direct into your line of sight because you are
Luna 🌙 (1:08:30)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:31)
getting older and you are having more capability to process
Luna 🌙 (1:08:34)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:35)
and ration and reason. And so let's
Luna 🌙 (1:08:37)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:38)
scoot ahead because the next planet is Mars.
And so this is a moment where we're looking about age 17, maybe 18 as well. It's very close because this is a Mars-Moon conjunction
Luna 🌙 (1:08:52)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:08:52)
low hanging fruit is we were in a fight with mom, mom. Here is
Luna 🌙 (1:08:54)
Hahaha
Laurel Kassor (1:08:56)
part of it. This might have been a period that was notably argumentative with
Luna 🌙 (1:09:01)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:09:02)
mom. This could also have to do hearkening back to sudden disruptions.
Of the home stuff that
Luna 🌙 (1:09:07)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:09:07)
we had earlier. I could absolutely see this echoing back into that because again, we do have the moon representative of a pillar four with Mars and Aquarius, who
Luna 🌙 (1:09:16)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:09:17)
is representative of Pillar 11. Before earlier, we experienced this as Uranus opposite a bunch of cancer placements. And now we have an active disruption conjunct a confusing emotional safety situation. And we
Luna 🌙 (1:09:31)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:09:31)
have
the idea of trending.
Choices involved. So my guess is that this is something maybe we are making our own decision here. And maybe it
Luna 🌙 (1:09:39)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:09:40)
ends up being a decision that we're like, was do I know what I'm doing? Like what? Was this a good what? Yes. So I would love to hear if anything's
Luna 🌙 (1:09:47)
Why did I do that?
Laurel Kassor (1:09:50)
coming up for you.
Luna 🌙 (1:09:51)
So
for this era, I know that this is around the time that I started to make my own choices with my body. I lost
Laurel Kassor (1:09:59)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:09:59)
my virginity around this time. And I'm always very vocal about what my body is doing. I don't know. I've always just been that way. So when
Laurel Kassor (1:10:07)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:10:07)
speaking to my parents about it, my mom obviously felt one way about it. And that was not a good way. And I was out at home. I was living with my aunt for some time because my mom just
thought just because I had lost my virginity that I was going to be like her nieces and just having a whole bunch of children all over the place. yeah. yes. Yep. Yeah. Put me out.
Laurel Kassor (1:10:29)
just to clarify, your mom kicked you out over this? Well, that's that moon that sudden wow. Okay, keep going. Wow.
Luna 🌙 (1:10:39)
Said that I had to stay with my aunt until she could see that I have a level head, AKA have to keep my grades up in school. Yeah, I just am like,
Laurel Kassor (1:10:47)
Performance based.
Okay, yeah.
Luna 🌙 (1:10:49)
Yeah, very performance based. I had to keep my grades up in school in order to come back the following year and to finish off high school and graduating. And the craziest thing was a lot of my friends, I didn't even tell that I was out of the home. They had no idea I had even changed an address. I made it so seamless. But it was because
Laurel Kassor (1:11:08)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:11:09)
I was not sad about it. I was proud about it because I made my own choice.
And ultimately that's literally what got me to making other choices and connecting and having relationships, the types of relationships that I wanted to have and things like that. yeah, it was a very interesting year for me, but definitely
Laurel Kassor (1:11:31)
Yeah.
Luna 🌙 (1:11:32)
where I was making my own choices for sure.
Laurel Kassor (1:11:35)
my gosh. Wow, that is like wildly relevant.
Luna 🌙 (1:11:36)
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. She kicked my ass out. I remember in
the mid conversation, she was just like, oh, you need to pack your shit. I was like, I thought that
Laurel Kassor (1:11:46)
There we
Luna 🌙 (1:11:47)
we were cool. Cause the way that she came off around this time, like I said, she was trying to cultivate a close bond with us. So she's the, you can tell me anything. Oh, I'm your best friend. Oh, I'm on your corner, blah, blah, blah. And I'm coming to you because I'm excited. I'm 16, 17.
finally got to express love to somebody, you know what I mean? And I'm happy and you kicked me out. I get the boot. It was
Laurel Kassor (1:12:16)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:12:17)
literally the opposite of what I thought.
Laurel Kassor (1:12:19)
It's very confusing.
Again, it is this idea of fucking confusion. And it c it comes to that moon being in Pisces. Again, it's an echo
Luna 🌙 (1:12:23)
Yes!
Laurel Kassor (1:12:26)
of this
thing earlier. We talked about it with
Neptune being the fourth house being like this kind of anchor to Pluto,
Luna 🌙 (1:12:30)
you
Laurel Kassor (1:12:32)
to Venus, to the oppositions up there. there's and there's multiple aspects
Luna 🌙 (1:12:36)
my God.
Laurel Kassor (1:12:37)
of these echoing themes.
Luna 🌙 (1:12:39)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:12:41)
it's same same different
Luna 🌙 (1:12:42)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:12:43)
the other planets that were also a disruption of living space and understanding
Luna 🌙 (1:12:47)
doing things yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:12:48)
and like whoa am I doing the right thing and like people are judging us and la like all that energy totally different setup of
Luna 🌙 (1:12:55)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:12:56)
representation and yet we have the exact same fucking
Luna 🌙 (1:13:01)
Yeah, same energy.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:02)
variables
involved, and it's creating a this echo of that again.
And what was so fucking
fascinating about your chart is that here we are exploring this connection between a 2959
Luna 🌙 (1:13:18)
huh huh.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:19)
Planet and a and a zero thirty-two. Point it, but it's zero. But so we're like,
Luna 🌙 (1:13:21)
zero degree. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:23)
whoa, we're really exploring like you're applying your impact to make
Luna 🌙 (1:13:28)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:28)
a decision, a wild decision, an an un unprecedented in my life before, unleashing decision
Luna 🌙 (1:13:31)
Mm-hmm. Unleashed, yeah. Right.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:36)
to activate, to activate.
Luna 🌙 (1:13:38)
Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:39)
Agency and care and love
Luna 🌙 (1:13:42)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:42)
and it's gonna be so romantic because I'm romantic
Luna 🌙 (1:13:45)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:46)
and I love romance and it
Luna 🌙 (1:13:47)
Exactly.
Laurel Kassor (1:13:48)
hello, it literally represented your first sexual experience in the fifth
Luna 🌙 (1:13:50)
I was supposed to say
Laurel Kassor (1:13:51)
house.
Luna 🌙 (1:13:52)
the very first thing, the very first thing that I've ever come into contact with you can see in the fifth house. I've never even was like being a central creature. Obviously I'm very in tune with the senses, always in tune with my body, but it wasn't until then until I was able to make that choice. I can choose to do this for myself. And it has nothing to do with the person I'm doing it with, has nothing to do with my home, has nothing to do with anybody else.
Laurel Kassor (1:14:18)
Yeah, if I may offer it's the detachment to
Luna 🌙 (1:14:19)
Let me. Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:14:22)
the attachment. It's the detachment
Luna 🌙 (1:14:24)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:14:24)
to all the things a around it. And it was literally
Luna 🌙 (1:14:27)
Around.
Laurel Kassor (1:14:30)
just this idea of like, I'm just gonna go the other way, dude. I'm just gonna
Luna 🌙 (1:14:31)
I want to do this. Yeah, I want to do this.
Laurel Kassor (1:14:34)
do like I'm a individual. I can do what I wanna do because I wanna do it and
really just again it's the detachment quality of the of Pillar 11.
Luna 🌙 (1:14:42)
As much
as a lover girl's lover girl as I am, you would think that my first experience was some huge hearts and fanciful situation where for me it was literally just, I want to do this situation. I clean my hands of it, wham bam, thank you sir. Keep it moving. You know what mean? I was that detached from it because I was making my own choice in that moment. I'm like, yeah, it was that time. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:05)
Because it was time to move. It was time to fucking act. There was urgency. It's Mars. You're just
you're describing p pure form Mars. You know what I mean?
Luna 🌙 (1:15:11)
now.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:15)
And it's Mars making a decision about decisions. What's one motherfucking thing I have? Some fucking control over my body. Thank God. Good. Someone fuck
Luna 🌙 (1:15:22)
Yep. Right. Thank God for that.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:24)
me. Jesus. Just anyone.
Luna 🌙 (1:15:26)
Now, hello.
It was an urgency.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:29)
And the immediateness of the moon, the conjunction's tight. It's
Luna 🌙 (1:15:31)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:34)
of it's 29 degree Mar, two degree moon, two degree Pisces
Luna 🌙 (1:15:37)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:38)
moon. And then then that's where we see that urgency of fuck yeah, make this a choice give way to confusion around the home and the decision I made.
Luna 🌙 (1:15:43)
Yep. Wait a second.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:48)
And now there's what the fuck with these consequences? What do you mean?
Luna 🌙 (1:15:50)
Yep.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:51)
This doesn't make any sense. And the way that you're performing them doesn't make sense either, mom. Right? Especially
Luna 🌙 (1:15:55)
Nope.
Laurel Kassor (1:15:57)
if it was with that.
Same kind of vibe of like, we're just all kosher,
but we're not.
Luna 🌙 (1:15:58)
saying, we're so close and we're not. I had to learn
mid conversation that we weren't as close as I thought we were.
Laurel Kassor (1:16:08)
Which
is such a tell on the in of the aspect of that echo aspect. Here we have the opening
Luna 🌙 (1:16:12)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:16:14)
sextile, which again brings in conversation, it brings in communication, it brings in exchange,
so curious to hear too, because this is the sun it connected to. what
Luna 🌙 (1:16:23)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:16:24)
did your dad think?
Luna 🌙 (1:16:25)
My father, he, my father was disappointed in that I could have gotten hurt. He was
Laurel Kassor (1:16:34)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:16:35)
more caring about my actual health, how I felt. He wasn't so worried about, you're my daughter, you shouldn't be doing this. My dad is a flower child. He was in
Laurel Kassor (1:16:46)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:16:47)
Woodstock, that's his whole life. My mom, she was the one who was partying nightlife and.
New York City. She's she's soul trained. My dad is flower power. Yeah, that's that's
Laurel Kassor (1:16:56)
my god, that's so cute.
Luna 🌙 (1:16:58)
literally that's that's what it is. So where she was like, you're disrespecting us. My dad was just like, I wish you waited, to be safer. I wish you, anything could have happened to you. what mean? And that's that's how he felt about it.
Laurel Kassor (1:17:08)
I wanna hug your dad.
Luna 🌙 (1:17:09)
Yeah, man, all the time.
that's another thing challenge between my mother and I is because I'm I'm I'm protective of my father.
I'm protective of his feelings, I'm protective of his emotions and because she's such a firecracker, it's like, I don't have to be protective of you, you can handle your own. She's snippy snappy. My dad on
Laurel Kassor (1:17:28)
Here is
Luna 🌙 (1:17:28)
the other hand, oh no, he will... Wild. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:17:30)
It is fucking crazy to wal to have your chart sitting in front of me and listen
to you describe your parents
Luna 🌙 (1:17:38)
Ha ha!
Laurel Kassor (1:17:38)
and know that you are also describing exactly these placements, while these
Luna 🌙 (1:17:42)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:17:44)
placements also represent exactly other fucking things going on in your life. Two, which is this ability
Luna 🌙 (1:17:49)
Yes, it's crazy.
Laurel Kassor (1:17:51)
to stand up for people that you love because your mom taught you how to do that on some level, but now you've taken
Luna 🌙 (1:17:55)
I see. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:17:57)
it and rolled it forward to your father who you're protected with.
Luna 🌙 (1:17:59)
Yep.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:00)
there's the Sextile to the Sun, like it is almost too much of like of like watching the connection map play out
it's very multidimensional. And I think it's a great illustration
Luna 🌙 (1:18:11)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:12)
I'm sure there's so
Much more that we are just brushing the
Luna 🌙 (1:18:14)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:17)
surface of, but I really would love to get to the next one because the next one is Venus, and
Luna 🌙 (1:18:22)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:23)
we know that this is an important feature in your life,
Luna 🌙 (1:18:26)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:27)
in your chart, in your soul syllabus, obviously,
Luna 🌙 (1:18:29)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:30)
in your work. Venus is also your chart ruler as a Libra rising.
Luna 🌙 (1:18:34)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:35)
She is in Pisces, she has been basically.
fucking holding it all together for you in so many ways. Like, and I mean that with
Luna 🌙 (1:18:44)
She's been a glue.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:45)
so much love, but she really has been
Going behind all of these really sensitive, tender
experiences
Luna 🌙 (1:18:54)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:18:55)
and internalizations from the early ages and Venus
Luna 🌙 (1:18:59)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:19:00)
has been like going behind each of them and just dusting up, Don't mind them. Don't mind them. I promise they mean well. I promise.
she is in an opening trine to Pluto. So she
She's about to complete a circuit that began at three and a half with this story. she is also in an opening sextile to Neptune, who has been notable.
in several of these stories.
Luna 🌙 (1:19:21)
Yes, very much so.
Laurel Kassor (1:19:24)
she's completing a little cycle with Neptune here. She is in a another sextile also an opening sextile. So we're seeing pillar three, with Mercury itself. So we got a little tiny pillar stack there. Lots
Luna 🌙 (1:19:38)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (1:19:38)
of exchange, lots of communication, lots of people.
Luna 🌙 (1:19:41)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:19:41)
and your Mercury's in Taurus, by the way, you said I talk about my body a lot earlier.
Luna 🌙 (1:19:46)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:19:46)
were the words you use? Y Mercury and Taurus. Okay.
So anyway, I just saw that and I was like, look, there it is. but yeah, is that fun?
Luna 🌙 (1:19:49)
Mmm. I see
that.
Laurel Kassor (1:19:54)
and obviously that rolls into so much of the work that you do. So
Luna 🌙 (1:19:58)
yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:19:59)
much of the work that you do.
Luna 🌙 (1:20:01)
absolutely
Laurel Kassor (1:20:02)
and then the last aspect that that was also pulled online
would have been the Chiron aspect up in the 10th house in Cancer. So we're also learning something about our skill of relating
Luna 🌙 (1:20:16)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:20:18)
is going really well.
These are all in technically harmonious positions.
Luna 🌙 (1:20:22)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (1:20:23)
that doesn't mean that nothing tense ever happens there, right? But
Luna 🌙 (1:20:27)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:20:27)
we are ex I or I'm at least expecting this to be interesting story where you're starting
to pool together multiple features of your life
Luna 🌙 (1:20:36)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:20:36)
and in pursuit of some sort of service. This could have to do with
Luna 🌙 (1:20:39)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:20:39)
early working experiences. Venus is right about 21
Luna 🌙 (1:20:44)
Mm-hmm
Laurel Kassor (1:20:45)
here, and so.
This also feels creative. I'm almost wondering if this is when Luna got her groove back, creativity
Luna 🌙 (1:20:53)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:20:54)
expression style. so take it away. What was going on for you in your early 20s?
Luna 🌙 (1:20:58)
So
around here, 2010, 2011, I was 20, 21 years old and I had my son I gave birth. Yes, I gave birth. And that was also around the time that my partner and I decided that we were going to be openly polyamorous. So all of that happened literally back to back. Had my Sun at 20 and then
opened up our relationship in 2021, so 2011, so I was 21 years old. So around those parts, it was lots of conversations, lots
Laurel Kassor (1:21:34)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:21:35)
of conversations, but in the start of it was extremely rocky. Another authoritarian move from my sweet mother. When I found out I was pregnant, I didn't find out until I was already eight months pregnant. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:21:49)
wow, a shock,
a surprise, a common theme for you. Hi, Moon conjunct Mars being an Aquarius and Moon being like
Luna 🌙 (1:21:53)
Ta-da! Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:21:56)
conf confused. How did this happen? What? Tomorrow?
Luna 🌙 (1:22:00)
Right,
literally in 30 days, what do you mean in 30? What do you mean? I'm about 38 weeks pregnant. What do you mean? I'm a parent.
Laurel Kassor (1:22:05)
I'm a parent in thirty days.
Luna 🌙 (1:22:07)
Yeah, yeah, I was still getting my cycle. So there was no body changes. I just got double D's instead of my sweet little B cups. And that was it. That was it. It was literally
Laurel Kassor (1:22:18)
Wow.
Luna 🌙 (1:22:19)
it. And that summer, I have a cousin who was pregnant at the same time.
That summer, I was babysitting her children and playing with them tag in the park and doing double dutch and just doing things that pregnant women don't do. No, had no
Laurel Kassor (1:22:30)
my god, You didn't even know you were training.
Luna 🌙 (1:22:35)
idea. And I'm just like, what in the world? So then when I found out I was pregnant, had to my mom. during this time I was in school for criminal psychology.
Laurel Kassor (1:22:45)
Of course you were because Pluto is here. Anyway, keep going. I don't even have time for that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:22:48)
Why not? In school for criminal psychology. And when
I found out I was pregnant, I took it upon myself because I'm like, I don't want to be pregnant working in prison. So I don't want to do those things. So when I told my mother, she gave me an even bigger ultimatum. For her, it was have the baby and work or don't have the baby and continue to go to school. For her.
Laurel Kassor (1:23:12)
What is with her in
these ultimatums? No offense, mommy, but w gee whiz. This is it keeps happening, yeah.
Luna 🌙 (1:23:15)
have no idea. I wish I knew. I wish
her Libra scale ever made sense to me because everything was on a scale for her. Yeah. It has to be. It has to be. was
Laurel Kassor (1:23:25)
Polarity much. that I guess is the answer like it's it's polarity at work. It has to be, yeah.
Luna 🌙 (1:23:32)
even proposing to her, mom, there's many people who work, pregnant, and go to school. I can do that. If anybody can do it, I know I-
I could do it. You know what I mean? I had a great work ethic. I just knew that I wanted to have a child because I was told that I couldn't in an early age, in a young age. So I knew that there was no not have the baby and just go to school. I knew that that was never gonna be an option because I wouldn't
Laurel Kassor (1:23:54)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:23:55)
do that personally. So my mom just was like, that's it. Those are the options or you can just get out. This is me getting kicked back out again. so right.
Laurel Kassor (1:24:03)
my grace my gracious
Luna 🌙 (1:24:06)
I obviously chose to keep the child, no longer go to school and just jump into the workforce, which I did, and I
Laurel Kassor (1:24:13)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:24:13)
was emergency dispatch caller for some time.
Laurel Kassor (1:24:17)
Okay, there's the Pluto.
By the way, that's the connection to the Pluto, just so we're clear. That's also the Mercury
Luna 🌙 (1:24:20)
Yes, I did that.
Laurel Kassor (1:24:23)
all coming online that we're gonna and the Mercury in the eighth house. Actually that's
Luna 🌙 (1:24:27)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:24:27)
more of the Mercury in the eighth house.
Luna 🌙 (1:24:30)
on top of that, I also did
Laurel Kassor (1:24:33)
Crazy dude.
Luna 🌙 (1:24:34)
sex work on the phone as well. So I was just about to...
Laurel Kassor (1:24:36)
my god! You're ca no wonder you're laughing. You're like if you're gonna you're I
know you're just sitting there like Warl, if you thought the emergency dispatcher was good,
Luna 🌙 (1:24:47)
I did that in tandem while I was pregnant because I was like, might as well get my rocks off while
Laurel Kassor (1:24:50)
Fuck yes bitch. Fuck yes bitch.
Luna 🌙 (1:24:55)
we, everybody's, everyone's safe, you know, at emergencies by day and then I handle night emergencies by night.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:03)
Dude, multitudes. And
Luna 🌙 (1:25:05)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:06)
here's that fucking Neptune though. Like,
Luna 🌙 (1:25:08)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:09)
but there's that Neptune coming in at the at the base,
Luna 🌙 (1:25:11)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:12)
at the foundation, and being like, if you dream it, we'll make it happen. And
Luna 🌙 (1:25:16)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:16)
this is where this is, I'm glad that I said the thing about just because these are nice aspects doesn't mean it's all super fucking easy, man. But this is where we can see
Luna 🌙 (1:25:23)
Nah man.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:25)
there was a cohesive flow going on with what you were
Luna 🌙 (1:25:28)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:29)
able to do.
Luna 🌙 (1:25:32)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:32)
While you were doing this work, this is before you knew that you were pregnant. Wow.
Luna 🌙 (1:25:37)
yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:38)
So interesting. Okay, we're gonna have to have a totally different conversation where we look at your son's chart together
Luna 🌙 (1:25:43)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:44)
and are like, whoa, let's geek out on that. but
Luna 🌙 (1:25:48)
my god.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:49)
that is there's so much, and I know there's more to this part of the story too, but even what you've
Luna 🌙 (1:25:53)
yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:25:53)
already shared is incredible. And I also wanna emphasize this is echoing back to the
the this decision making thing. I know like the sun's not
Luna 🌙 (1:26:02)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:02)
hyper involved into this, but it is a s a spiraling spin-off of okay, I've been able to make my own decisions successfully, or especially around
Luna 🌙 (1:26:10)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:11)
these instinctual topics that are
Luna 🌙 (1:26:14)
Mm-hmm. yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:16)
fun and that I choose. I'm doing this work because I'm choosing to do this work. Right. And I like
Luna 🌙 (1:26:21)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:22)
that a lot. And
Hearkening back. And I think we'll see this potentially a little bit later into story.
But I know that there is this low key energy around possession and ownership and stewardship that
Luna 🌙 (1:26:34)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:35)
we have mostly at this point been looking at through the lens of choices.
Luna 🌙 (1:26:40)
Of course, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:42)
But I wanna also remind everyone there's a really deep pillar two association. So there's also a been a body choice thing going on the whole time as well.
Luna 🌙 (1:26:49)
Yeah. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:52)
and so this is also speaking to that.
Luna 🌙 (1:26:54)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:26:55)
as an extension of these two different features of your syllabus merging and interacting together in
Luna 🌙 (1:27:01)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:02)
ways and and through Venus as the focal point, which is like you are the diplomat between all of these different things. you are
the one who is keeping the peace. You're on a dispatch call, you have to be calm, you have to be you settle like hell okay, let's hold it down everyone. Like we gotta right and so it's pulling in
Luna 🌙 (1:27:14)
Mm-hmm. Yep, I gotta be grounded. Yeah, exactly.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:21)
All of these different features in various ways. Also,
Luna 🌙 (1:27:24)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:25)
when you're performing this sex work on the phone, you also have to be calm and grounded, right? you have to hold a pace. there's
Luna 🌙 (1:27:27)
Mm-mm. I have to hold space. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:32)
so much. And I think that it's speaking to this practice of relating. It's almost like, and
Luna 🌙 (1:27:38)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:39)
with Venus in the sixth house, I know we had mentioned a relational practice began for you quite early.
Luna 🌙 (1:27:44)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:45)
in the way, especially the different ways that Chiron had shown up in the early pits and then kept getting hit at very
Luna 🌙 (1:27:47)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:49)
various points.
Luna 🌙 (1:27:50)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:50)
and it's being hit here again, but this is the a trine completion, right? this is Venus
Luna 🌙 (1:27:52)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:55)
closing trine to bring in a pillar nine thing, which is like, let me
Luna 🌙 (1:27:59)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:27:59)
preach.
this love skill. yeah, let me broaden it up a little bit. let's explore
Luna 🌙 (1:28:04)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:05)
where can we g take let this skill take of relating that we've been developing and find a little nice home safe as you literally said the word safe, safe little home
Luna 🌙 (1:28:09)
Mm hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:13)
for it, in a way where I get to engage with this stuff that makes me go, Ooh, fun, curious,
Luna 🌙 (1:28:16)
Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:20)
right? and and body curiosity is something I would assume was very early
Luna 🌙 (1:28:25)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:26)
for you, just by the very nature
of the Pluto opposition to the Mercury
Luna 🌙 (1:28:30)
Mm-mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:31)
and the Taurus eighth. that
Luna 🌙 (1:28:33)
Yeah, that's that curiosity.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:36)
naturally makes so much sense
And then the Venus is coming in and being like,
if and again up in a Pisces placement, being like,
Luna 🌙 (1:28:44)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:45)
you wouldn't believe it if I told ya. You know, there's a little bit of fantasy,
Luna 🌙 (1:28:47)
Yeah, very much.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:50)
there's a whimsy, there's also this idea, and here comes the tie-in to you becoming a mother. Again,
Luna 🌙 (1:28:56)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:28:57)
the trine is from Venuses to Chiron in Cancer.
Luna 🌙 (1:29:02)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:03)
In the tenth house. But Chiron
Luna 🌙 (1:29:05)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:05)
is very close to Ceres and Jupiter. Which by the way, Ceres, Jupiter conjunction in Cancer is outrageously fertile.
Luna 🌙 (1:29:12)
Yeah,
Laurel Kassor (1:29:13)
across
both the body and the mind. Like v
Luna 🌙 (1:29:15)
Creation. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:16)
yes, a hundred percent. And so all of that got pulled in by this trine that was activated about that time, which
Luna 🌙 (1:29:21)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:22)
was basically being like all all of a sudden you're gonna have to start relating to mother, to what it means to be mother, And
Luna 🌙 (1:29:30)
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:31)
because as they get activated, so of course
even though Uranus is in
a loose sextile, to Venus. It's bringing in this the opposition again
gotta suddenly.
Uproot safety, belonging, yeah.
Luna 🌙 (1:29:43)
Change, change, switching something up.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:47)
So again, I'm it's gonna hearken back to the cultural change that you went through when your parents like
Luna 🌙 (1:29:50)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:51)
fucking just uprooted you and you were like, woo! But now we're on
Luna 🌙 (1:29:53)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:54)
the other side where it's a force outside of my control just uprooted me.
Luna 🌙 (1:29:58)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:29:59)
And now I have to relate to what it means, I have to bridge the gap between
Luna 🌙 (1:30:03)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:04)
being a a young adult.
Luna 🌙 (1:30:07)
haha
Laurel Kassor (1:30:08)
And a mother and and a whole ass mom. Somebody's mother. I'm about to
Luna 🌙 (1:30:09)
Right, and a whole mom. Right, a whole ass mom. Right.
And that was the surprise.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:16)
It's the shock, but it's all doing it in a way where we trust the pr we learn to trust the process, and there comes some of our Neptune and also part of our
Luna 🌙 (1:30:21)
Yes, trust the process. Trust the fine tuning.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:26)
Our pillar six, exactly where Venus is. So at this point,
Luna 🌙 (1:30:27)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:30)
I know we just pulled in basically everything we had previously talked about, literally got
Luna 🌙 (1:30:35)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:36)
pulled in and essentially integrated to a point
Luna 🌙 (1:30:39)
Definitely.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:40)
through the giant fire hose we just let open.
Luna 🌙 (1:30:42)
Yeah,
yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:43)
But to really emphasize what you just said, fine-tuning. You were
Luna 🌙 (1:30:46)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:47)
fine-tuning how to relate to these different parts of your life and to these different parts of your experience. And it was happening
Luna 🌙 (1:30:53)
Mmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:30:54)
through this almost accelerated learner program, a dream coming to life. You mentioned that you had always wanted to be a mom, told you couldn't, and now you're like, well, wow,
Luna 🌙 (1:31:06)
Wow, yeah, it's happening. Okay.
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:31:11)
R immediately. Okay. Like
I've I better put into practice everything I've ever tr learned. Everything. Mmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:31:18)
everything I've cultivated, everything I've learned. And then
upon having him, it made me want to learn relation even better, even deeper, because that's when I started my journey on astrology in general. So my astrology on how to love started with heartbreak, but my journey to wanting to know how to be a better person, a better mom started because I had my son
Laurel Kassor (1:31:45)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:31:45)
So
I knew that it was another choice. I was like, do I want to, I don't want to bumble around. I'm not one, I love the whimsy. I love the miraculous things. I love the spontaneity. I love it down, but I don't want to buckle around. I want to know
Laurel Kassor (1:32:00)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:32:00)
how to connect with this new being that I'm bringing to this side because
Laurel Kassor (1:32:05)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:32:05)
obviously he chose me. I chose him. We're here for a reason. He's like, yep, that's it.
Laurel Kassor (1:32:08)
Mm-hmm. He chose you. He was like her. We'll g we'll give her a little
she'll get a kick out of this. You know? Yeah. She'll think it's funny when we're all hanging out together again here.
Luna 🌙 (1:32:13)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, she'll be so tickled. Trust me, trust me. God. Absolutely, I thought it was funny when
I ended up having a Scorpio. And his father is a Scorpio. Why?
Laurel Kassor (1:32:27)
my grash,
bro. Amazing. Wow, that is a very wild piece of the story that brings so many different elements into it. Because
Luna 🌙 (1:32:34)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:32:37)
then, of course, as you mentioned, you started your practice. And that is something that Pillar Six and the Sixth House specifically has a lot to do with. And let's remember this is an echo out to Chiron. You haven't met Chiron yet in
Luna 🌙 (1:32:48)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:32:49)
your experiential placement of where we are right now, but
Luna 🌙 (1:32:52)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:32:53)
we know it will
connect to these memories that that we're connecting to now. And so one of
the cool things is at this moment it really consolidated this it's time to do the learning journey. And that's the Pillar Nine trine that they're sharing. This learning journey
Luna 🌙 (1:33:06)
Mm hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:33:09)
of getting very serious about the skill because your Chiron's in the tenth house, which is we're not bumbling around no more about
Luna 🌙 (1:33:15)
Yeah, nope.
Laurel Kassor (1:33:16)
This skill, I want to cultivate it because it's going to create a space to belong. And my like
Luna 🌙 (1:33:22)
Yeah. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (1:33:23)
and relate. And that's part of this thing. And it also doubles up as you already laid out for us. And again, this connects to exactly why you're made for this.
Luna 🌙 (1:33:32)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:33:33)
the idea that it wasn't until this point that you were like, I'm gonna do this for me to improve myself and what I
Luna 🌙 (1:33:39)
Yeah. To rid myself of myself.
Laurel Kassor (1:33:42)
offer as a service.
As a mother to this child, and that means
Luna 🌙 (1:33:45)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (1:33:48)
I gotta get good with me, So this energy
Luna 🌙 (1:33:50)
Yep.
Laurel Kassor (1:33:51)
right here is so powerful because that's exactly what you're doing with your clients now. Like that was the starting seed of like, hmm, mm-hmm, and of that part
Luna 🌙 (1:33:57)
Mm-hmm. It had to start with me. Mm-hmm. Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (1:34:03)
of the practice. So that's super tasty, super, super juicy. Love, love. Ugh, okay.
Luna 🌙 (1:34:06)
Yes, it is. That's exciting.
Laurel Kassor (1:34:12)
It is exciting. Okay. The last one that we're gonna get to,
is the sun. And this would be a little bit more recent for you. Your Sun's position is right at 34, just about age 34. because
Luna 🌙 (1:34:29)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:34:31)
is basically where we are today. a a couple years ago.
But this
Luna 🌙 (1:34:33)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:34:34)
would be a hearken back to choices, whoa, and decisions.
Luna 🌙 (1:34:37)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:34:39)
But this time it's so much to do with stability and it's
Luna 🌙 (1:34:43)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:34:43)
to do with resources and it's to do with ownership and stewardship. And
Luna 🌙 (1:34:48)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:34:48)
all of this stuff that Pluto opened up way early in the timeline, now we're making
Very conscious choices, decisions around how we're performing to an extent,
Luna 🌙 (1:34:59)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:35:00)
our relational stability. and the decisions we're making in partnership, because your Sun is in the seventh house and in Taurus. so this could have to do with partnership, this could have to do with different developments in your relationships,
Luna 🌙 (1:35:09)
Yes. was literally about to say that.
Laurel Kassor (1:35:11)
marriage. Okay. So yeah, let's hear it, and then we'll kind of talk
Luna 🌙 (1:35:14)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:35:15)
about what it harkens back to.
Luna 🌙 (1:35:17)
34. 34 is when I met Tam. I've been with my anchor partner for 17 years, so he's always been in the background just doing his thing. But at 34 is when I had just had my youngest son and we had just met Tamra and she's my third partner. And she is such a
an influential person to my life because I really changed how I handled money. I changed how I made investments. I changed how I did things for the future for my children, legacy life plans and all those types of things. And she's so knowledgeable and I've learned all this from her, not only just learning in a mentorish type of capacity, but as a lover
too.
because she genuinely cares about me, my family, my heart, because she is a part of it. So I feel like in partnership in that way, that's the start of all that we're doing now, all the farming we're doing now, all the nonprofit stuff we're doing now. Everything that we're doing now started then, and it just kept going.
Laurel Kassor (1:36:29)
yeah, we're gonna need to have you tell us a little bit more about the nonprofit and the farming because
Luna 🌙 (1:36:31)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:36:33)
that is like this is crazy detail filling in the blanks of the c of the chart here. Cause
Luna 🌙 (1:36:39)
Yeah, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:36:40)
obviously you have a zero-degree sun in Taurus, so this idea of starting a farm with a partner.
Luna 🌙 (1:36:44)
Darn it, I think I'm fired.
Laurel Kassor (1:36:45)
What? What who? know.
Luna 🌙 (1:36:47)
To me.
Laurel Kassor (1:36:47)
Yes. Made for it. Made for it. it's
Luna 🌙 (1:36:52)
Literally!
Laurel Kassor (1:36:52)
also in a it's in a waning.
Sextile to both
Luna 🌙 (1:36:57)
Hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:36:58)
Jupiter and Ceres. Ceres, Ceres, who rules Taurus in this system,
Luna 🌙 (1:37:00)
Okay.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:03)
who rules your Mercury, who rules your sun, who is in cancer, homesteading. Are you kidding me? You cannot make
Luna 🌙 (1:37:09)
Mm-hmm. Homesteading, literally. Yep.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:12)
this up. And with Jupiter, it's like an expansive amount of homesteading, of opportunities to do this with family. With family. With chosen family. And that
Luna 🌙 (1:37:15)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes, with family, with the fam. Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:25)
is.
Back to the sun that's back on the sun. And so, by the
Luna 🌙 (1:37:27)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:27)
way, the waning sextile is a pillar 11 aspect.
Luna 🌙 (1:37:31)
Mmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:32)
So, it is about collective, it is about group
Luna 🌙 (1:37:34)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:34)
identity, which we know is a very critical piece of the puzzle for
Luna 🌙 (1:37:39)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:39)
you throughout various parts of your life and experience. And so
Luna 🌙 (1:37:43)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:44)
it's really interesting to see it come through again, reborn. This is like what they mean by ancestral stuff and like generational
Luna 🌙 (1:37:53)
Yes, yes,
Laurel Kassor (1:37:54)
stuff.
Because it's like, what the freaking shit is this? How does this
Luna 🌙 (1:37:55)
yes it is. It's right here.
Laurel Kassor (1:37:58)
happen? it's insane to me, but it's so undeniably present that this is
Luna 🌙 (1:38:01)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:03)
about choose making your own conscious decisions that you feel safe and stable in with people you trust and that can really
allow you to continue to make your own decisions. And
Luna 🌙 (1:38:18)
definitely.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:18)
in that statement, I included every aspect that the sun is touching.
Luna 🌙 (1:38:21)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah you did, you hit every nail on the head, that is.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:25)
Right? Like pats for Patrick, buddy. But like that is
Luna 🌙 (1:38:26)
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:28)
this these sextiles that you have. Because the other closing sextile to the sun,
Luna 🌙 (1:38:31)
Mmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:32)
bringing more Pillar 11 in, but the sun making an opening sextile to Mars. So there is this if we want to move forward, we have to collaborate, we have to communicate, we have to exchange. Yep. And
Luna 🌙 (1:38:40)
Yes, we got to build together, communicate.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:44)
of course, all
This stuff with the cancer planets being touched, naturally we'll tap Chiron to pull in over
Luna 🌙 (1:38:51)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:51)
here. So, this was somebody who you had originally worked with for services for
Luna 🌙 (1:38:54)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:38:56)
a service, which is a very pillar six thing, and having Chiron pulled in and it's about resources and money, and obviously
Luna 🌙 (1:39:02)
Mm-mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:39:03)
the Taurus.
yeah
Luna 🌙 (1:39:03)
I love
it too because not only, you we didn't just start off the bat, just let me be your mentor, let me help you get your money right and your foundations, right? It didn't just start off the bat that way. My partners met each other first before I was brought into the picture. And
Laurel Kassor (1:39:17)
Mm.
Luna 🌙 (1:39:19)
when she first got involved with me, her desire was to...
literally take up my service to learn herself better so that way she can connect to me and to my other partner better. And so she ended up being a patron first because she really just genuinely wanted to know how to do it better. How do I need to
Laurel Kassor (1:39:39)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:39:39)
be loved so that way now so we can all speak the same language. And as a triad or as a throuple we take
everything astrologically to heart because we know that that's the foundation of how we're going to keep this glue and keep this boat afloat. It is. It is. It really is.
Laurel Kassor (1:39:55)
Mm-hmm. No, for real. It's such a critical resource for
for you
And yet it's like when I think about like, man, it's been really handy me life and also me
Luna 🌙 (1:40:07)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:40:08)
relationship, I'm like, wow, how much more
valuable that context is when
Luna 🌙 (1:40:14)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:40:14)
you're juggling three individuals and making a family and living and sharing a life and everyone's moving through their own journey at the same time and you're all representing different parts of that at different phases
Luna 🌙 (1:40:25)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:40:26)
and being able to understand okay I definitely showed up for that Mars transit for you and I see how you showed up as this thing for me and now we can unpack this together. And so that's beautiful it
Luna 🌙 (1:40:34)
Yeah. Yes. And a safe space. Yeah. And a very safe
and understanding space. We never come into a connection where we're judging because what is there to judge? None of us chose how these planets outside of us are moving and none of us chose how these planets inside of us are moving. So just, we just find a common ground. Look, I know shit is crazy. We'll talk about it, put a pin in it and
Laurel Kassor (1:40:55)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:40:56)
we'll get back to it later. But as long as communication and just transparency is the bottom line.
And that's just what we
Laurel Kassor (1:41:03)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:41:03)
keep around. And I feel like a part of that supports my business and relationships.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:10)
It absolutely does, cause
it is from our own cups that the overflow comes.
Luna 🌙 (1:41:15)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:17)
And so when you are so engaged in that work live in real time, and it's clear that this particular moment that we pulled out, this
Luna 🌙 (1:41:26)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:27)
formative moment, it was a d a demonstration. It's the sun. Hello. It was a demonstration
Luna 🌙 (1:41:29)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:33)
for you and a validation point for you on the
Luna 🌙 (1:41:36)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:37)
fact that you are making good decisions and you are carrying yourself well and you are performing humanhood, you know, like in
Luna 🌙 (1:41:41)
the way that I'm designed to food. Yeah, exactly.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:44)
ways that feel good to you,
But one of the
Luna 🌙 (1:41:46)
a whole lot.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:47)
things about Ceres and Cancer is when Pillar 2 meets Pillar Four,
Luna 🌙 (1:41:51)
Mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:41:51)
there is a complete and utter kissing of body and emotion, of somatic work, of listening to the body itself for
Luna 🌙 (1:42:02)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:42:03)
making the body an emotional safe space and
Luna 🌙 (1:42:05)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:42:05)
how that all connects in to itself and
how care is part of nourishment. Yes, that was what I thank you. You totally reminded me. The self-worth quality of it too. Yes, that's such a major,
Luna 🌙 (1:42:11)
Yeah, and how that connects back to worth as well. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:42:21)
major piece of it. this is happening right on your mid-heaven too. So hello. There is absolute like your nine-degree mid-heaven. Yeah, the cancer
Luna 🌙 (1:42:28)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:42:29)
bunch is a hundred percent
Luna 🌙 (1:42:30)
Ray is right there.
Laurel Kassor (1:42:32)
tied in there. So it's like you might move through it very much first
Luna 🌙 (1:42:35)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:42:36)
in your relationships and then end up finding that damn, I got a lot of clients moving through this thing that I just did two months ago. Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:42:39)
Yes, literally, literally. I don't know
what it was something that happened around Leo season. I don't remember what it was, but it was something funky going on. And I saw it in my household first. And as soon as
Laurel Kassor (1:42:54)
Mm-hmm.
Luna 🌙 (1:42:55)
I seen it go down in the household, I'm like, I need to go to the.
look at the planets, let me make some notes, da da da da. my light bulb just fucking pings off and they're like, what just happened Luna? I'm like, wait a second, I'll be right back. I already have, yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:06)
It's literally like
Don't talk to me yet. I'll be right back. I It's Uranus on your IC. because
Luna 🌙 (1:43:08)
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We'll unpack this in a second.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:15)
Uranus represents astrology. I was actually wondering when as you were speaking earlier, I was wondering when astrology would start to come up naturally
Luna 🌙 (1:43:21)
Mmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:22)
and organically. And I was wondering if it would show up around that nine age, but it didn't. And I was like, interesting.
Luna 🌙 (1:43:25)
So, mm-mm.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:27)
But then we saw it show up with Venus.
Luna 🌙 (1:43:28)
Mm-hmm.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:29)
Later, we were able to track back to Uranus various
Luna 🌙 (1:43:32)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:32)
ways. if you're feeling the
insight and the electricity and the frequency, which are all pillar eleven in nature, which are all uranian in nature, and you're feeling them first in the home, which
Luna 🌙 (1:43:38)
Mm-mm. Mm. Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:43)
is where you've always felt them first, in the home. This
Luna 🌙 (1:43:45)
in the home.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:46)
whole episode is about how that
has always been a thing, right? And then the skill
on the other side kicks into gear and it's like blah blah blah blah blah we practice, we practice this. We ain't know we know what to do here. And that
Luna 🌙 (1:43:55)
Yep. Yep, we did, we know.
Laurel Kassor (1:43:58)
actually harkens back to you being an emergency operator and be I know what to do here.
Luna 🌙 (1:44:03)
Yep.
Laurel Kassor (1:44:03)
it's folding in and so many, ways we are just out of time to
Luna 🌙 (1:44:05)
Mm-hmm. I know.
Laurel Kassor (1:44:08)
explore. Ugh
Luna 🌙 (1:44:10)
But that's exciting. Thank you.
Laurel Kassor (1:44:11)
Luna, you're so fascinating! You're made for this, baby!
Luna 🌙 (1:44:16)
I am. Thank you so much. It's such a, it's one thing to feel it and it's one thing even as an astrologer to read it, but to allow yourself to be opened and transcribed in such a way. It's very validating and it's very encouraging.
I can even say,
Even feeling this call, I know even after this call, I'm just gonna be like, yo, I'm really, can nobody tell me shit? I'm supposed to do this. I don't hear nothing. I'm supposed to do this shit. And then when, when my, when my partners want to bicker and mentor about my clicking away, I'll be like, listen, okay, Laurel said I do this shit. Okay. And that's, that's just it. Listen, look, look, they'll
Laurel Kassor (1:44:53)
Don't get me in trouble with your partners now.
Luna 🌙 (1:44:56)
be all right. They'll be all right. They'll be all right. They're excited for this too. So I know that they'll be fine.
But I know.
Laurel Kassor (1:45:02)
That is
so I didn't even think about my gosh, yeah, that's so cool. They're both gonna get to hear this and be like, wow. so so so cool.
Luna 🌙 (1:45:05)
Mm-hmm. yeah. Yeah. It's going to be mind-blowing. I love it so much.
Laurel Kassor (1:45:12)
Luna, how can
we work with you? Do you have anything up your sleeve that you're working
Luna 🌙 (1:45:18)
Yeah.
Laurel Kassor (1:45:18)
on? tell us more about how we can get directly in front of you so we can learn how to love more consciously from truly the master of it.
Luna 🌙 (1:45:26)
So I would say I definitely have something up in my sleeve. So what I'm working on right now, I can't wait to bring on my hands are sweaty. I can't wait to bring to the public is definitely something that they can keep with them. I'm creating an app and it's going to help them, just tap into their weather streams, tap into their forecasting of love and how things are happening in the skies and how it's attaching to them as well. So.
I'm working on some things, tinkering some things, and I know that it'll be to everybody soon, probably by the fall. But as far as working with me personally, it can always be reached through my Instagram. I can always be reached through my threads, at Earth to Luna, and also on my PayHIP account that I'll go ahead and send you information so can tag and all that. But that's Earth to Luna on PayHIP, and yeah, that's how you can work with me.
Laurel Kassor (1:46:13)
Ugh, amazing. Thank you again so much for sharing and for
Luna 🌙 (1:46:17)
Cheers!
Laurel Kassor (1:46:18)
just opening up your heart and sharing
Luna 🌙 (1:46:20)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:46:21)
your story with us. This has been such a fun conversation. I freaking love you, I'm so glad we're connected.
Luna 🌙 (1:46:25)
Yeah, girl. I love you too.
Thank you so much.
Laurel Kassor (1:46:29)
if this episode has sparked curiosity in you about your own birth let's connect. I'd love to support
you. You'll find one-on-one readings and resources, including my free What Fuck Am Looking At birth chart cheat sheet on my website,
Luna 🌙 (1:46:41)
Thank
Laurel Kassor (1:46:42)
soularcastrology.com Yap with me on threads at astro_aries And if you love listening to this podcast, imagine how much fun it's going to be to watch it on YouTube where you can see for yourself.
Help me freak out when people say words, and I'm like, my god, it's right there in your chart.
Luna 🌙 (1:46:57)
Ha ha!
Laurel Kassor (1:46:57)
but you can find me there at laurelkassor And babes, don't forget to stay in orbit by subscribing, leave us comments to let us know what's landing for you, and of course, sprinkle some stardust by sharing this podcast with the Astro Hoes in your life. Until next
Luna 🌙 (1:47:13)
Yes.
Laurel Kassor (1:47:13)
time, seekers ad Astra. Bye.
Luna 🌙 (1:47:16)
Peace.
