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EP21 Rewriting Reality: The Art of Becoming Your Own Hero with Sol St. Germaine

What do the Hells Angels, a suspected kidnapper, and an Aries Sun, Moon & Mercury have in common? One woman whose survival instincts had been training for a moment like this her entire life.

When reality-bending hypnotherapist Sol St. Germaine found herself in a dangerous roadside encounter involving a woman she believed was being held against her will, she had to think fast, read the room, and put a lifetime of hard-earned survival skills to the test.

But what if the very instincts that once kept you safe could become the skills that help someone else find freedom?

By 16, Sol had lived in 26 homes, navigated an unpredictable childhood, and learned that sometimes the safest thing she could do was just keep moving.

In this episode of Made for This, astrologer Laurel Kassor connects the constellations between Sol's extraordinary life experiences and her birth chart, tracing how her Aries Sun, Moon & Mercury, Neptune on her Capricorn Ascendant, and Chiron in Cancer reflect a lifelong journey from survival and hyper-independence to conscious creation.

From childhood instability and a life-altering psychedelic experience at 14 to hypnotherapy, shadow work, and an unbelievable encounter involving the Hells Angels, this live astrology reading explores what it really means to become the hero of your own story.

In this episode, we explore:

• The roadside encounter: How Sol navigated a suspected kidnapping situation, drawing on skills she'd developed throughout her life.

• The Aries hero's journey: What her Aries Sun, Moon & Mercury reveal about independence, survival, and taking action.

• The roots of hyper-independence: How growing up in 26 different homes shaped her relationship with safety, freedom, and self-reliance.

• Rewriting reality through hypnotherapy: How Neptune and Chiron connect to Sol's work with the subconscious, emotional processing, and practical problem-solving.

• The truth about main character energy: Why becoming your own hero isn't about performing confidence, but learning to recognize and reclaim who you really are.

Episode Chapters

00:00 — Meet Sol St. Germaine: The Mother of Reality-Bending

02:21 — Main Character Energy, Hypnotherapy & Rewriting Your Story

06:09 — The Birth Chart as a Timeline of Your Life

09:05 — Neptune on the Ascendant: Reexperiencing Her Birth Through Hypnosis

17:00 — Chiron in Cancer: The Skills Behind Healing & Transformation

24:20 — Aries vs. Leo: Becoming the Hero Instead of Performing the Part

28:14 — Saturn, Survival & the Origins of Hyper-Independence

38:03 — Mars in Aquarius: Near-Death Themes, Water & the Freedom to Let Go

45:00 — The North Node: Finding Freedom Through Perspective

49:20 — Sun in Aries: Childhood Trauma, Safety & Self-Protection

1:07:10 — Mercury in Aries: Making Sense of a Chaotic Childhood

1:13:16 — A Hero-Sized Dose of Mushrooms at 14

1:15:22 — Ceres & Jupiter in Gemini: Turning Survival into Skills

1:19:00 — “If I Keep Moving, I'll Be Safe”

1:26:55 — Chiron Returns: When Survival Skills Meet Their Ultimate Test

1:30:52 — The RV, a Suspected Kidnapper & the Hells Angels

1:40:55 — From Surviving Danger to Helping Someone Else Find Freedom

1:47:54 — The Living Room & Creating Spaces for Transformation

Your past may have taught you how to survive. But you get to decide what you create with everything you've learned.

ABOUT SOL

Sol St. Germaine is a reality-bending hypnotherapist and mentor helping conscious leaders reclaim their main character energy and build lives rooted in authenticity, vitality, and choice. Drawing on more than 13 years of experience, Sol blends hypnotherapy, transformational experiences, and deep inner work to help people move beyond limiting narratives. She also hosts The Living Room, a free community for leaders exploring meaningful conversations and personal transformation.

Instagram: @sol.stgermaine | Website: https://magic.thelivingnarrative.com/waitlist

ABOUT LAUREL KASSOR

Laurel Kassor is a professional astrologer & visionary behind Soul A.R.C. Astrology™. Through birth chart readings, teaching, and intimate conversations, she connects astrological patterns with lived experience to help seekers make sense of where they’ve been, understand who they are, and consciously craft who they’re becoming.

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Reality-bending hypnotherapist Sol St. Germaine joins Laurel for a birth chart reading exploring her Aries Sun, Moon & Mercury, childhood survival, and the art of becoming your own hero through Soul A.R.C. Astrology™.

Transcript:

Laurel Kassor (00:02)

Welcome to Orbit, Seekers. This is episode 21 of Made for This with Laurel Kassor, the podcast where soul-led practitioners, educators, and creatives come together to connect the constellations of how astrology turns from abstract insight to real-world impact when you follow your soul's arc. I'm Laurel Kassor, your astro oracle host and the founder of Soul A.R.C. Astrology. And today I have the mother of reality-bending, Sol St. Germaine

Sol has an Aries sun, Aries moon, and is a Capricorn rising. She's a reality-bending hypnotherapist and mentor to Dharma daddies and baddies building god-sized dreams. Sol helps high consciousness leaders own their main character energy through her signature program, transformational retreats, and 13 years of experience

That she will be the first to tell you started with a hero-sized dose of mushrooms at age 14. She's lived in 26 homes before she left at 16, survived a spiritual teacher betrayal, and came out on the other side being invited into international stages and traveling the world on her astro cartography lines. Which means you know she's packing a chart that refuses to let her play small. Sol, thank you so much for taking the time to join us here today.

Sol (01:14)

I'm so excited to be here, Laurel. It's gonna be juicy.

Laurel Kassor (01:17)

This is gonna be so

juicy. You are so fascinating. we met maybe about a year ago, and I remember just from the first time I ever laid eyes on Sol, I was like, she's mesmerizing. And then I found out you were a hypnotherapist, and I was like, quite literally, she mesmerizes people. It's it's what she does.

Sol (01:36)

yeah, I remember that first conversation we had too when you were looking at my chart and I just the the layers of dimensions that I started to see myself through. It's so incredible to be able to get different perspectives and the way that we see ourselves, it just brings out new things. And so much has happened in those last year. I'm just I'm so excited to dive in today.

Laurel Kassor (01:58)

me too, me too. I'm

I'm an

ever-evolving astrologer, so I'll rock your worldview again. But before we get straight into your chart and understand what what in the what has prompted you to go on the journey that you're on, I would love to hear a little bit more about your work directly from you. And I would really love if we could get into a little of the philosophy that you hold around it, please.

Sol (02:21)

Yeah. so

It's funny, people you were talking about earlier, how you're like, I'm like not really a coach. I had this insight on a workshop I was teaching a couple months ago. I was like, I'm literally the essence of a life coach. And I don't know when that happened to become not cool, but I was like, I'm bringing this back because this is literally what I do, is I help people live more life. And I've spent probably the last almost 15 years really supporting a lot of different, very ambitious people.

worked with a lot of lawyers and CEOs and people who are really in the grind to actually own their main character energy and to really become more of who they are and actually live like with life and vitality and connection to the truth of who they are. And a big part of this being a hypnotherapist has been surrounding the living narrative which is the story you tell becomes the life you live.

And I've been

Laurel Kassor (03:14)

Mm.

Sol (03:15)

walking this path since that moment of awakening when I was 14 years old. But what started to happen later in life was that I realized that the mindset work was not actually the entire full picture. And I started to understand how going into the shadows and into the depths was this absolutely necessary experience. And I have this symbol of like a

What is it called? Like a slingshot? Like

Laurel Kassor (03:41)

Yeah, sing shot. Mm-hmm.

Sol (03:42)

a slingshot. Where if you want to go forward and expand in life, if you the further you fold back pull back into

Whether it's your darkness, your human experience, your emotions, when you're willing to go into the depths of the things that you avoid, and then you just let go, you don't really need to do much effort. You just let go and you are catapulted forward. And so all of this work of being able to shift the mind, to shift and get into a different orientation and a different timeline, that works on the majority of our

way we experience reality, but in order for it to have roots and stay and create a new level of sustainable, staying power in your life, you gotta go back and you gotta go in. And it is some of the rarest, hardest work that I've ever personally experienced or even helped other people through. So there's a lot in there, but that's the overview.

Laurel Kassor (04:41)

D it's I fall I tracked.

10 million. You're speaking my language.

Sol (04:45)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (04:46)

You are speaking my language. I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah, that's right, that's right. but it is

Sol (04:49)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (04:50)

multifaceted, it is multidimensional work, it is complex. This is why I feel like so many healers and practitioners struggle with articulating exactly the impact. You did a fucking fabulous job, by the way.

Sol (05:04)

Right.

Laurel Kassor (05:04)

excellent, excellent, excellent. But it j which just made me be like, damn, it's so hard to do it that way.

Well, as you just did, because it is a lot of invisible work, and it is a lot of work that exists outside of time. It's a lot of nonlinear work. you were naming so many of your planets already in just what you did there, and a lot of that, especially the the existing outside of time bits to an extent like.

moving forward, suspending the realities, being able to go into the possibilities, see

what's there, unpack it all, look at it from different levels and dimensions, right? that's very Neptunian to me. It's very multifractal. It's very multidimensional, which is very Neptunian. and it's interesting because that's actually the first planet we're gonna talk about in your chart. So it's a perfect segue into the chart, but we're gonna circle back on a lot of the different things you just said and

look at them probably through some different fractals that will help us understand how did you come to have such a unique perspective on the world, right? So if it's okay

Sol (06:04)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (06:06)

with you, I'm gonna pivot us to your chart.

Sol (06:09)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (06:09)

And we're gonna we're gonna start with using our technique that we always use on the show, the developmental age method.

It's a technique where we look at the planets in your chart and where they fall.

after you after the ascendant aligns with experiential years of your lived reality of your real true life. And the idea is that when you reach about those ages, you're entering a phase, a season, we can call it. People say life happens in these seasons. I call them plot points, because they do tend to set up a very formative piece of the story of your unfolding life over time. But they set

Sol (06:44)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (06:45)

up these really important

template moments that get us out going onto our journey. speaking in the main character energy, it's like the moment that the the young farm boy's village got burned down by the dragon. it's like that first thing that sets a train into motion. So

Sol (07:00)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (07:01)

yours is actually right at

Your ascendant, your very first planet we're gonna talk about, which is Neptune. I mentioned we're we're gonna bring Neptune in. So you have Neptune in Capricorn, 14 degrees Capricorn, 14 degree ascendant. It is really infused. This means a lot of things right out of the gate.

One of which is that the way you navigate the world is gonna be through a multi fractal, multidimensional lens. But why?

It's gonna live inside of your birth story, the why of it all. And obviously, you were being born, and it's hard for many of us, it can be hard to remember that exact moment ourselves firsthand. So, if there are any stories that you heard around your birth, that's what we're gonna be definitely looking for. A couple of things just to set the stage around what we as the audience and astrologers might keep our eyes out for here. This is Neptune. So remember, we're

gonna be viewing everything at least at first through a truly a a newborn's perspective. So we have to keep what the hell would a newborn make sense out of that? what would that,

So that's one piece, but the other piece is that Neptune is confusing. it is dreamy, it is it is hazy, it is glittering, it is shimmering, It is very much a liminal.

Agent here in our system that we use on the show, Soul A.R.C. Astrology Neptune is the planetary agent of Pillar 12. Pillar 12, I call it the unity Pillar

It's also very much this source energy all of Pillar 12, which includes Pisces and the 12th house itself, and the waning semi-sextile aspect, but they all carry this undertone around dissolve, around return, around.

sacrifice, surrender, release, imagination, channeling,

also fantasy. it's a very complex energy. yeah, I'm gonna stop yapping and let you share the story and we'll go from there and talk about what that opened up.

Sol (09:05)

Yeah, so right out the gate there's very few direct memories that I have before the age of fourteen. And

Laurel Kassor (09:13)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (09:14)

When I started doing my hypnotherapy training, when I was doing the advanced practice, I started unlocking some memories of my own direct

Laurel Kassor (09:21)

Mm.

Sol (09:21)

experience rather than just remember remembering stories my mother told me or seeing pictures and having that. I actually started to have my own and reclaim my own memories. And so I'm doing this training.

And I had been hypnotized before, though it's a really interesting story is how I got started. But maybe we'll circle back around to it afterwards.

Laurel Kassor (09:41)

I I wonder

when we'll we'll yeah, we'll get we'll tell us at the end if we don't get to it naturally, yeah.

Sol (09:44)

I think we'll get to it after. But

what was happening was whenever I we were doing regression, I was like, I'm not getting anything. I'm not seeing anything. And so I had this experience. I'm in this classroom and the other students are practicing, we're practicing with each other. And the teacher comes over and she's like

just sitting with me and then everybody's watching now and I've I can feel everybody's energy

Laurel Kassor (10:07)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (10:08)

but I'm like it's literally just black I literally see nothing and she's like go into it let it be there and I started to feel these contractions and I thought it was because I was like feeling really insecure because all these people are around me. But what was happening was I was re-experiencing my birth.

So I was literally in the womb and feeling this panic, feeling very, very scared. And then all of a sudden there was just blood everywhere, and I could feel so much fear and all this light shining in my face, and some man holding me. And I I'd never talked to my mom about my birth.

And so I was like, what is going on? And so I'm like terrified. And then all of the sudden I can it's not even like I could really see, but I I I could feel my mother. I could feel my mother and and then all of this love pouring into me.

And I don't think that's what my original birth experience was in

Laurel Kassor (11:06)

Mm.

Sol (11:07)

feeling the love. I think going through it in hypnosis actually repaired and healed that for me because

Laurel Kassor (11:13)

Yeah, yes.

Sol (11:15)

what happened was like, I think I was like losing weight in the womb and they gave they gave my mom a C-section. That is a fact, that's what happened.

But I think what changed what through this hypnotherapy session was that

Because I was going through it consciously and I was seeking for connection to understand something, it actually healed my nervous system in a really deep way to be able to feel the fear and the panic, because I think the fear and the panic was actually like my mom, the doctors, everybody's like around. And then through that to pierce through and actually feel the love that I that my mother had holding me, it like this is like one of those crazy timeline shifting things where I don't think that's what her experience was like.

Laurel Kassor (11:54)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (11:55)

before but I literally re experienced it and changed that timeline.

Laurel Kassor (11:59)

You're the mother of reality bending. The mother of

Sol (12:01)

Ha ha ha.

Laurel Kassor (12:02)

reality bending. No, it's crazy that you're saying that, not because the thing itself is crazy, but because of the fucking connections in your chart are nutso. And the words you're using to describe that situation are what I a million and ten percent associate with certain of these activations. So let's dig into that,

A couple of things that the birth itself opened up as plot points because the way that this technique works is that the charts circle. I like to think of it as like a a gem, oftentimes. And it's like you're looking at it from one side when you're meeting one planet. And when you go to a different planet, you might see through it to the first planet, right?

Sol (12:41)

Whoa,

that's so cool.

Laurel Kassor (12:44)

Right. So you were in Neptune season, so whoever Neptune touches in your chart also activated at that time to be like, we have a connection to this thing happening over there. And so when your Neptune came online at birth, because it is on the AC, it

Sol (12:59)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (13:00)

Number one opened up a waxing sextile to Pluto. This is generational. This is normal for us folks born in this window of time.

But where that falls in our chart is unique to us and that does have an impact on how we experience that

in my system, is associated with Pillar 3 Pillar 3 is like Mercury, Gemini, the third house, the aspect we're talking about right now. And it has this undertone of an echo type of energy or an information type of energy or a communication or an exchange-y type of energy. So through this experience, there was some deep wound end.

And healing, intelligence, that got activated very early. But from again, from an infant's awareness, it's still fucking scary, right? no matter

Sol (13:50)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (13:50)

how you cut it to an infant, Pluto's gonna be scary. Pluto is gonna be scary when it first shows up on the scene. And then you have to hold it, right? You have to work with that bitch and do the actual healing part. But at first, it opens up this intelligence and exchange between the

Subliminal is the word that actually wants to come through here, the subliminal experience of being born. and that in the way that sublime, the root word of subliminal, which is sublime, right? And so that's coming through really loud that it was like, hey, hey, hey, power and the unknown. Hmm, something's going on here with that.

So that woke up for the first time there. And by the way, your Pluto's in the 10th house of career. Of career, of reputation, of legacy, of success. Now, what's also interesting is you mentioned that you were a C-section. That is fascinating.

So the other aspect that opened up, another one, was this square.

To your Mercury. So I already mentioned Pillar 3 because of the first aspect between Pluto and Neptune. Well, now we straight up have another Pillar 3 energy coming in. So we're like, okay, turn the volume up on this idea of communication and exchange and intelligence and data. Something about data is really getting activated here.

Not only is this a opening square, Mercury is in an opening square to Neptune, this is

A an opening square in the third house. So this is Mercury in its own house, it's very comfortable it in its own Pillar home. We have a stack, basically. So the third Pillar suddenly gets a lot louder, even than it was before, because we're like, wow, this is gonna have a lot to do with learning.

So it's telling us that there's something already coming online to infant Sol about

Duh, this I'm feeling very alone, maybe like rejected, ousted. you could literally got yeeted out of the womb.

the opening square has a Pillar 4 undertone. Pillar 4 is the support Pillar and it is associated with cancer and the moon and the fourth house.

And mom. straight up. It has to do with our home and the womb itself. And so what we're seeing here is confusion. Is gonna be the easiest way to boil it down and probably most realistic to an infant. Is like this is of an extremely confusing moment where you literally lost your home in some way.

how does one make sense of this? It's bright, it's harsh. remember your Neptune's in Capricorn.

Sol (16:19)

Well.

Laurel Kassor (16:20)

Pillar 10.

Which by the way, Pluto is in the 10th house, right? So we're seeing certain themes already hype up pretty loud right from

Sol (16:28)

no.

Laurel Kassor (16:29)

your birth story, even though we haven't heard

yet all the ways that that rolled out, okay? And so we'll see more about what this square with Mercury brings later in your story,

Sol (16:40)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (16:41)

But that's actually not the most intense aspect or most exciting one to me that opened up at that birth story. But what is is the one that you told us about, which was the way you repaired it. Because that fucking came online. So you went ahead and you're doing the damn thing right now. I love it when this happened. So

Sol (17:00)

Ha ha ha.

Laurel Kassor (17:00)

I try

to keep the podcast pretty chronological for storytelling purposes, right? But this whole point that we're making here is like, wait, Sol doesn't do chronological really. there's this whole multidimensional outside of time thing that happens for you. We literally started up with that, right? And here it is unfolding right before our very eyes because your Neptune is in an opposition to your Chiron in Cancer in the sixth house. This is

Sol (17:25)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (17:26)

so critical because in my system I don't treat Chiron as a wounded healer. Not that wounds aren't gonna show up with it, but I don't treat them as wounds. I treat them as problems. These are problems that just need to s be solved. We just need resolutions to these things. Hello.

Sol (17:42)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (17:43)

you told us how you did this already. So the

Sol (17:46)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (17:46)

thing about Chiron is in addition to really about

Skill, competency, being effective, being practiced. The story you shared with us about re-experiencing your birth story happened when you were in a a closed group. where obviously you had to feel safe with these people, with this practitioner,

Sol (18:06)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (18:08)

where

you were practicing skills. you were saying that we were all partnering up and practicing on each other.

Sol (18:13)

Never.

Laurel Kassor (18:14)

I think Chiron's a practice planet. It is training and it's also the facilitator

The one who teaches practical skill, which I think of as a as a practitioner, or one who practices. to be a practitioner is to be of a Pillar 6 sway in some way. And I call Pillar 6 the refinement Pillar, the service Pillar, but the attunement Pillar because it is the Pillar that narrows shit in and narrows shit down and hones So it's funny because

your chiron in cancer, its point on the timeline itself was probably about 25 and a half, 26-ish, was that near the time where you were practicing your hypnosis skills and undergoing training? Head nods. Head nods for the listeners, head nods.

Sol (19:02)

Exactly. Like exactly.

Exactly. Probably like 25 and a half,

literally.

Laurel Kassor (19:12)

I can't even I believe in astrology

Sol (19:13)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (19:14)

so hard and it's like every day I do this, I am just mind blown more and more. More and more. that's crazy.

So I know I just yapped your head off about like this

Sol (19:23)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (19:23)

tiny little bit of your birth story, but how are you feeling? How's it landing? Does this bring anything up for you?

Sol (19:30)

Yeah,

well my early years definitely with my mother, and she didn't have the support and she was very dysregulated and

I had a lot of distinct memories of her actually regulating off of me and

Laurel Kassor (19:43)

Mm.

Sol (19:43)

I I I would have memories of literally she would be scared holding me and the life leaving my body, literally feeling it drain. And that was so trippy. And so between 2022 and 2024-ish, I had 2 years of the most intense grief that I went through in my entire life.

And actually I was actually just writing about this yesterday. So this is another two-year period where I was practicing feeling safe to feel unsafe. And so this is that that pullback of

Laurel Kassor (20:14)

Mm. Yep.

Sol (20:16)

the the slingshot.

so I feel like, in when I was twenty fifteen-ish, around that time I was really working with the mind and the story and the vision and the situation and some inner child work, but but really being able to go into the depths, this is this is what happened for these 2 years of my life because my business was thriving.

I was more stable in my home environment than well, I was traveling in Bali, but I just had so much safety and security in my system and in my relationships and my community, and so many things where I had a certain level of safety within myself that I could go so deep to feel over and over every single day, consciously feel how unsafe I felt and go through all of those emotions from my

probably those first 2 years of my life that

Laurel Kassor (21:07)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (21:08)

I didn't have any specific memories, but I could feel what it was like to be emotionally an infant and how terrifying it was, specifically as it relates to my mother.

Laurel Kassor (21:18)

f for sure I

For sure, for sure. You're naming a lot of stuff that will come up as we walk through. because this is this is why this shit's so fucking cool to me. Cause we're starting at Neptune and we're looking at it again through through to Neptune. But a lot of these other things, these little pieces you're naming that come later in this story, you're naming some stuff from your Mercury, who we saw for the first time through Neptune. But you're naming a completion stuff around some of that energy. So you're like, you're already naming parts.

the story that happened when you get to the other side of the prism to

Sol (21:56)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (21:56)

peer through and see, but then I started to see it different and I started to be able to work with it more, which is really fucking cool.

Sol (22:01)

Well th what's

really interesting about this is that it's like was not really much of a conscious thought prior. it the thing with my birth and even my early years, of course, I I lived in twenty 6 homes by the time I was sixteen, I n my childhood was chaotic. But the thing about my relationship with my mother, 'cause I was also abused by my father, is that I didn't know it was a problem.

Like I didn't

Laurel Kassor (22:23)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (22:23)

I couldn't understand. I was like, she's so she just always tells me she loves me. And yeah, we fought when I was a teenager. But I just didn't really think of it as a problem. And it wasn't until those moments later in life when I was like, holy shit, that fucked me up.

Laurel Kassor (22:39)

Mm,

mm. It's so

Real because the mind. And again, this speaks to the square between Mercury and your Neptune, where that came online at this time, which is like, we have to find a way to embrace this confusion. It's literally the square, it's an opening square. So it has this undertone of It's a threat to not accept. It's a threat if we don't be accepted, right? there, it's different combinations of those ideas coming together again and again. And so the mind, Mercury, Pillar 3, does what it has to do to make it make sense.

to a certain extent, so we can survive Mercury and Aries. I know I didn't really mention how the positions so much. there was a lot going on with these aspects to pull in. obviously the Neptune in in Capricorn has to do with these are the rules. We s the authorities said that she's not doing well enough. So we gotta eat her out. But Mercury, and here's something I wanna like you're saying it when you were sharing your philosophy and I was like yeah

we're gonna get there so naturally, but I'll just go ahead and spill the beans on it now. But your sun, your Mercury, your moon, Aries, hello, Pillar 1, baby. The part of your life we're talking about, and we're actually gonna spend almost most of our time talking about, is it the first house? Pillar 1 baby. Pillar 1 is the impact Pillar.

It is also the Pillar that explicitly has to do with life. Life force. So when you were like, I'm reclaiming life coach because fuck it, that's what I actually am. I was like losing my shit internally. Because I was like, yep, they actually yes. And if anyone could

rebuild what that means it is you but it that's like why I was like my god this is you're you're killing me right now that's so obvious

Sol (24:19)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (24:20)

it's so right there but this has to do about life I also think it's really interesting too and I'll have this my little side tangent here people love to associate Leo energy with the main character and yes that's fine that's true

It's Pillar 5, the creation Pillar, which has a lot to do with entertainment and it has a lot to do with validation and applause and performance, right? So yep, that makes sense. But hero is Aries. They are not the same thing.

they are not like the hero, the adventurer, the main character energy, at least the way that I always interpreted it was always more in the Aries, we're going on the hero's quest.

Sol (25:06)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (25:06)

sort of

journey. That's just there was never a question from the moment that we met. I was like, she means it like that. Cool, cool, tight. Love that.

And so I feel like it's a really important distinction to make. And I know we're gonna get there in a second, but your Sun, Pillar 5's planet of performance, of headlining, is in Aries life, is in Aries go, is in Aries impact. and I think that it's really interesting and I'm gonna pull this thread together here. Neptune

is not direct. Neptune is incredibly fuzzy and foggy and it is really hitherde-ditherde and doesn't really want to be an individual.

But Aries energy is not like that. Okay? So it creates this echo of a theme that's gonna show up in your life again and again. How the hell do I navigate this as an individual? And a drive, a fire, a knowing that I'm the main character, bitch. Yeah. this is what I make it to be. My impact matters. I have to make it matter. It's almost as if you're

Consciousness is exploring a syllabus or curriculum in which it was like amplifying this need to understand what impact.

means and what it what it is to understand making the choices for yourself and making a ripple into the world for yourself not because the foggy rules of society of men in white coats who we'll never know the names of told us to. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? this channeling through me like loud as fuck right now. I feel it in my body.

Sol (26:42)

I know. I can feel it, I'm like, whoa.

Laurel Kassor (26:45)

I feel like I'm holding a giant glowing sun right now.

But it's soft and light yellow, A little pink. yeah, it's really cool. Yeah.

Sol (26:52)

Well

I like I love one thing I really love is paradox and inversions and mysteriously tricking people into really embodying their

Laurel Kassor (27:02)

Yes right

Sol (27:04)

higher selves. It's like I love the words that you used, especially about being in the in the limelight or being seen and the performance and everything and it's like, I use that language in a way

Because that's what people think they want. But when you actually get to the core of it, if you don't have it on a foundation of deeply knowing who you are, that performance is like a house of cards and it'll just disappear. You have no legs to stand on. And so

It's actually removing the performances. So it's a bit of an inversion almost the way we would think about the main character in a movie because you really have to actually own who you are in the deepest sense. And

that requires going into the shadow, which is the most unperformative, ugly thing that you want to hide the most. Humiliating.

Laurel Kassor (27:57)

it is like the anti-pride for sure. Well Pillar 8 and Pillar 5 square inherently. There's an inherent friction between them because one wants to hide and one wants to shine.

Sol (28:08)

Yeah. Yeah. And when you can do both, you're free.

Laurel Kassor (28:14)

living demonstrations.

of your energy right now. Like we are very much showcasing that and that's the point of this whole show is really provide the platform to show the energy. It's meta, dude. It's so Inception and it's so Pillar

Sol (28:24)

Inception

Laurel Kassor (28:27)

12.

your Sun in the second house it's an Aries so it is literally a thematic plot point which we will get to about anchoring down the individual ability to make a decision boom and securing that as something that you can you can

Do you can do it. It's not just a myth. it's not just a myth. You're not just living in your own fantasy world. It's like it's really almost about bringing the fantasy out of the head and bringing it to the reality, which is reality bending. my god, So cool. This is so cool. Okay, I have to scoot us along though. I have to, because we have to get to your second planet.

The second planet is Saturn. This is still pretty early, but it is just before your

first birthday. So this is still gonna have a lot to do with survival. a lot of your story is gonna have to do with that impact energy. But in our early life, and I think

an infant is associated with the Pillar 1 spectrum of life. Zero to 2 years old. And when you're an infant, you're living on impulse. So you're literally like, Am I alive or am I dead? I don't know

it is fear and love, so a lot of the times we are finding, at least through this exercise, that when the things are very intense in childhood, it's usually because there was an extreme sense of duress to an infant's experience in some way.

So that being said, this is Saturn. and it's Saturn in Capricorn, mind you. So we have a Pillar stack immediately. and it is going to have to do with rules, restrictions, feeling held back in some way, feeling not like contained, safe, but contained like like

Trappy almost, very limiting. it could also have a lot to do with authority. This could be punishment as well. Maybe there were early punishments that happened around this age. This is where an opening semi-sextile to Venus happens, who is also in the first house. You have a very large first house, and so Saturn is making a sextile to Venus also there. So this tells us it amplifies the survival idea.

This impact idea of Venus is an Aquarius here. So something about this would have to do with consolidating the idea that, we need some distance. There's something about distance and relationships going on. Again, not even one year old yet. So, what's happening? It also activated.

Ceres for the first time. Damn, that doubles up on this Pillar 2 thing because the aspect that Venus made to Saturn was a Pillar 2 aspect. So it ties in this idea of anchoring, consolidating, slowing down, rooting. Saturn also activated Ceres, the planet of Pillar 2

So again, this echoing idea that we had to figure out something around our body, around feeling grounded, feeling anchored, and you're all and remember, this is coming off of a theme where you already are feeling displaced in time because you got yanked, right? So there's some.

energy around it being critical, critical

to you in some h some way. I don't know. Well you'll probably answer these questions. I'm like, where what could that be? and then the last one that is pretty major is that your square to the moon came online here as well. And so you have the moon at 28 degrees Aries. Again, we're throwing more wood onto that Pillar 1 fire. this is a opening square. So we're pulling back in the support energy and this like theory

rejection, threat to belonging with the moon. So double it up. Just double

it up. and this is in the third house. So again, more echo, more data. We're getting a lot of mixed signals, it feels like, is what a lot of it is boiling down to, but on multiple, multiple levels. So I know you mentioned you don't remember there's not a lot, a lot of direct, clear memories, but is there anything around this shortly after birth but ish time?

Yeah.

Sol (32:27)

really

don't have any specific things that I remember in that time. I my mom told me that one time she was really, really scared and stressed and alone and my shit was going on with my dad that was scary and and she shook me. And she felt very scared of that.

And I also have this sense, this is more so not in particular memories, but the sense later on when I was doing that deep, deep grieving and somatic work of just literally feeling my soma as a baby.

I had the sense that that was the time where I had the most sense of security with my mother before my brother was born a couple years later and shit really started to get fucking crazy. but those first

Laurel Kassor (33:09)

Mm, mm.

Sol (33:10)

few years it was just me and my mom for the most part. And I do feel like that was that probably did create quite a bit of

just this feeling of safety that I could access, which is very different than what my brother experienced, which is just like a whole

Laurel Kassor (33:24)

Mm.

Sol (33:24)

other thing. But yeah, I think there's a yeah, a little bit of both that like feeling

Laurel Kassor (33:30)

Yeah.

Sol (33:31)

of safety and then also what the fuck? Why is my safety, taking it out on me. And that's maybe

Laurel Kassor (33:35)

Mixed messages. It's mixed messages.

It's the yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's would certainly okay. A couple of things in what you're saying do pull together what I was like pulling at. the Pillar 2 stuff, the anchoring stuff, hello. literally that

Venus in Aquarius in the opening semi-sexile to Saturn is what you're referring or at least what I'm viewing as what you're referring to when you're talking about but we did anchor our relationship more. I did feel more

Sol (34:01)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (34:05)

of a connection to her.

Sol (34:07)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (34:08)

But the Aquarius part tells us that there's there's still an intelligence around they're being distance in some way. there is and Saturn too, there's a coolness in the early part of life that is

Sol (34:19)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (34:19)

bre breezes through those first couple of years. where it's more about getting comfortable.

That this is how we're loved. In a sense, is almost a little bit of what? the b like the body starting to

Dare I say, and actually I am gonna dare to say it because the other aspects would echo this actually. dare I say the body is lur is is figuring out how to adjust and be like, shh, we don't need this thing you we think we need. We don't. It's cool, we're good,

Sol (34:46)

yeah.

Laurel Kassor (34:47)

we're good. learning how to s self-soothe via force almost, necessity. to because it wasn't like the natural instincts weren't being

Mat.

Sol (34:59)

Yeah, definitely. from I know this is jumping up a little bit, but I have memories of being 5 or 6 years old and like taking

Laurel Kassor (35:04)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (35:04)

care of my mom when she's sick and stuff and just that hyper independence and being like I feel safer not coming to you for emotional support, which is insane at that age. But like I I

Laurel Kassor (35:15)

Is

Sol (35:16)

do have that feeling of being like I'm better on my own.

Laurel Kassor (35:20)

That

would have very likely been tied to the to the beginning moments of this you coming into consciousness enough. And

Sol (35:27)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (35:27)

that's what walking through our fucking birth chart in life is like. You just kinda keep walking into consciousness enough.

And when you hit these plot points, they make major waves in the l in the timeline for you. But yeah, that square to the moon is exactly what you just described. Also

Sol (35:42)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (35:42)

the opening quincunx to Ceres, the opening quincunx is Pillar 6, which is refinement, attunement, and service, which also can translate to health directly.

There, but then with the moon, there is this taking care of thing, and it is this idea. It's very heady. Like the early part, I know I said it's breezy, but there's so much a combo of various air Pillar coming in and fire Pillar coming in. And everything that's been earth so far has been tough and hard to ground into. Cause it's been a lot of

you trying to make sense of rules with no one telling you

and very little support that you can stand on in the early part of life in ways that would that your system would have appreciated or been able to welcome. And so it can create this also distrust of authority. I wouldn't be surprised

Sol (36:35)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (36:36)

if you've got a little bit of a anti authority streak in you that just we just can't trust those people who say they're gonna take care of us, like the government for example,

And that makes a lot of sense with this kind of positioning when you very early in life put together these adult these are the adults? Fuck that, dude. I gotta be my

own adult. This also said this also fucking man, I got chills, but in the way where it's it tells us that you were not even a year old yet when you began the process of adultification.

I'm sorry, Sol Hmm.

Sol (37:14)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (37:17)

Well, the next planet is Mars and

Sol (37:18)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (37:19)

and it is still in the first house. But by this time, there is a level of detachment. We are now over a year old, and we can lump this together with Venus now, so we can scoot forward into more consciousness here. But this is about we'll call it between one and 2, both of these

planets make their appearance. They're both in Aquarius. They're both still in the first house. So we are still hanging with a big tone of Pillar 1. The impact Pillar, the survival Pillar, the life Pillar. Because you literally are living proof that life found a way.

Right, from the cradle, you are life found finds a way. And that's fucking rad as shit, dude. congrats, congrats.

Sol (38:02)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (38:03)

and your Mars is a big player in that because Mars is the planetary force of Pillar 1 But

Therefore, all your Aries placements, which you have your sun, your moon, and your Mercury all in Aries. Not to mention, you got a very full first house, and even though Mars isn't the lord of the first house, it's hanging there. So again, we got this Pillar stack turn-up. This would likely have felt like an actual death near death experience, is exactly what wants to jump into my forefront. it is square Pluto.

It is in quincunxes to your Chiron. It does connect with Neptune pretty closely. Neptune shows up in a lot of those experiences too. sometimes drowning. We've seen Neptune show up as almost as near drowning as on several episodes already. especially when is it?

Sol (38:50)

Weird. I just had a flash

memory. This is I've maybe I've only memoried remembered this twice, but being on my mom's waterbed.

Laurel Kassor (38:57)

ooh whoa.

Hahaha

Sol (39:01)

I was gonna say I literally have no memories of this time of being like 2 or three and then I was like, I remember the waterbed.

Laurel Kassor (39:04)

Yeah.

you'll have to report back to me and let me know what you're freaking fine with that. But yeah, there's so that's interesting that it came through with there. The idea of you jumping on the waterbed is what wants to come through me right now. yeah, I don't what a

Sol (39:19)

No, no, no. I definitely

do have memories of this time. I love being in the water. And you would mention drowning. All this water stuff is coming through. I would float

Laurel Kassor (39:27)

Nebby.

Sol (39:28)

in the pool, like any the lake, the pool. I grew up on a lake in Canada. I always wanted to be in the water face down, floating because it was peaceful. It was quiet. It was the place I felt the

Laurel Kassor (39:37)

Yeah.

Sol (39:38)

most peace. But people always thought I was drowning. And I was literally just, and I don't know. I'm a freediver, and I don't know how long I was holding my breath.

Laurel Kassor (39:44)

Mmm, that's this, that

whatever this is, it's connected to free. I'll explain in a second, but this that free diving is connected to this thing I'm pulling out. Keep talking.

Sol (39:56)

So I actually had these memories when I started freediving, which is the last 5 years. but I just my nickname also when I was like a kid was Fish, but I would be and if to me it felt like I was there for 10 minutes, 20 minutes, half an hour. I don't know how long I actually was because I was very, very young. But I know that.

People would come panicking to get me out of the water because they thought I was drowning and I was just floating and just relaxing. I loved it and it was like my favorite place to be. That's all.

Laurel Kassor (40:25)

You obviously, I I don't know for sure, but what is flowing through me is that you were practicing channeling. That's what you were doing. You were connecting to source. You were you were doing as close to sensory deprivation as you could, so organically and so naturally, because trying to return.

To the womb place, the source place. I'm like covered in chills. Good chills this time.

Sol (40:51)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (40:52)

Right? and Mars is action. So it this obviously what you're referring to would have happened a little bit later with people panicking. But I can guarantee it probably happened in the the span of this rolling into some of the next plot points. But I almost wonder if.

at this early age, there wasn't the first time of learning that. of realizing, if I put myself face down in water, it actually feels good. and what is coming through, and again, we cannot confirm this, but energetically this is what wants to come and channeled through, is that there w potentially maybe there actually was a near drowning that also put you close to source again.

Sol (41:33)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (41:35)

These energies are about survival. Pluto's involved,

Sol (41:39)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (41:40)

so there's a death quality, there's a scary quality, no matter how we cut it. This connection to the fourth house and safety and emotional safety is also involved.

And again, QuinCunks'

waning a waning quincunx, damn. Which has the tone of Pillar 8, Alchemy, Pluto, Scorpio.

The eighth house, all part of Pillar 8, which is that death and rebirth Pillar, which is that transformation Pillar, which is that go underneath where the others don't go Pillar. This

Sol (42:14)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (42:15)

very likely was some my god, am I gonna die? Wait a second, this feels good. Okay, no, I gotta come back. almost experience, where it likely did feel really scary, but also it created an opening,

Mercury's in an opening sextile to your Mars here in the third house. It's in Aries. So there was also, it's almost like you felt alive

Sol (42:40)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (42:41)

in the almost

not alive, you felt alive and met the intermingling of liminality and hanging in that space, which I mentioned your Mars is connected to Neptune. Anytime we are seeing an original planet that we met first through the fractal lens of another one, we are completing some kind of loop on the exchange between them. This

Sol (43:03)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (43:04)

exchange this loop happened before you were fucking 2. Okay? From between like

The unknown and the adventure of life. The unknown dissolve and return and the adventure of the begin and the impact. they had they dissolved into each other here

Sol (43:20)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (43:21)

at this point. Again, this is also happening in Aquarius. we're looking at the Aquarian fractal here. so there is a level of detachment. This is why I'm like, dude, you

it really does feel like you accidentally almost drowned, potentially. Left your body for a sec, came back and was like, whoa, there's some wild shit. And it reminds me of where they took me from. How do I get back there? Which would make sense to why later in your life you would have practiced how do I do this safely? How do I do this safely? How do I do this?

Safely, how do I do this safely? How do I get back there without threatening my own aliveness? Cause I love my aliveness. My aliveness is dope. my gosh. I'm covered in chills. How are you feeling?

Sol (44:04)

This

is so interesting. First of all, I need to ask my mom. I'm gonna call her immediately after this and ask her if something happened because I'm sure there it was just so chaotic. my entire childhood

Laurel Kassor (44:15)

Aquarius? Yeah.

Sol (44:16)

was so chaotic. But I have this interesting thing where I'm not really afraid of dying. And like I don't know why. I

Laurel Kassor (44:23)

Mm-hmm. I wouldn't expect so.

Sol (44:25)

I've never known why. I've just felt like

That's okay. I I but I didn't consciously have any near death experience that I remembered. And even though I went through so much crazy shit, literally what was more terrifying was somebody trying to emotionally regulate off of me. I would rather die. that

feels more peaceful. That feels more like you know, that as a child, I know like I was just that was super intense, but

The feeling of not being afraid of death and feeling like it's right there. And it it's also the the lens of how you access more life. So this is so fascinating. Whoa.

Laurel Kassor (45:00)

Well, I'm blowing my own mind right now, to be honest with you. I cannot believe we are making these connections like this. This is nuts. Cause your North Node is here. Your North Node is right here. God.

Sol (45:09)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (45:09)

You were.

Literally have been doing this for so long your whole life. Like you were you're made for like literally made for this, so literally.

Sol (45:15)

My whole life. People are like people

are like, yeah, and especially when you're doing work on your story and you're like, okay, there was the world before and then the canon event and then the world after. I'm like, no, my life has always been this way.

Laurel Kassor (45:31)

You were too

young to consciously engage the canon events. There were so many, so upfront.

Sol (45:35)

Yeah. Like I have no idea of a before.

Laurel Kassor (45:39)

This was with your North Node especially now now that I turned that bitch on and I'm like, my god, of course she was here. Cause I just had a little tap shoulder tap that was like, where are the nodes? Where are the nodes? Where are the nodes? And I was like, my god, of course, it's right here. This is one of the most important moments of your whole life was whatever.

it was definitely something. It absolutely had to do with caretaking in some sense. It had to do with it, it could have been a babysitter, even too. I there are tons of different people that it could have represented in, but there's something around care here. But you'll have to report back and let me know whatever you find out. but yeah,

Sol (46:14)

my gosh, yeah.

Laurel Kassor (46:16)

because Venus was here too, so there's a relationship forming at the same

time. There's a commitment forming at the same time. There's an understanding of what we signed up for almost in a sense. especially now that the North Node like up in here. The way that I look at the nodes, especially lately, since I've been doing this podcast, which has only really been a month I've been recording with people. It's crazy how much I've already like my own

abilities have grown since then. But one of the things I've started to recognize for real is that the North and South Node, I really don't think of them so much in the past

life, future life context. not that they don't have any, but just that the way I practice is very in in the present, in the now. What are we gonna do now?

North Node is is the thing that we have we are here to bring into system.

And the South Node is whatever we are ready to export from system, And when you can hone the export, it actually is a great asset So anyway, the fact that your north node is here in Aquarius told us that you came here to import objective perspective, an innovative.

Freedom and liberation. And it it keeps just wanting to circle back to no, no, no, it's perspective for soul. we want her to be able to step back and see the giant thing happening. And I think that when, and this is another theory I hold that I just continues to be affirmed with more and more interviews that I do.

The sooner you meet these these scary energies, in really significant ways, the sooner it's forcing a infant's intelligence, like a a very baby baby person, human in mind, to develop around something that's sh that a process.

That naturally doesn't come until much later in life. An awareness that naturally wouldn't come until much later in life. All this Aquarius stuff we're talking about right now, that's right up front where I was like, ooh, a cool breeze blew through pretty early for you. The Aquarius sector of life doesn't even start until about 65.

so it's like, wow. And usually that's when people are retired and they get to look back and they get to be a little bit more humanitarian and they have their resources and they have their worldviews and whatever and their shape it's a whole thing. And so anyway, I share all this to say this was so formative for you because it introduced you to many critical players for you, which is like the impact you're here to make, the thing you're here to directly engage with.

And forming a bond with it, not to mention all of the ways it lit up the rest of the chart and brought other revel re other energy online. And so when you mentioned free diving, again, I pulled back to the Aquarius and the liberation and the freedom and the allowing yourself to out like it's almost like by going under you elevate, Yeah. Yeah. It's rad. Mm-hmm.

Sol (49:02)

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Slingshot.

Laurel Kassor (49:09)

All the way down into the depths, dude. That's so

Sol (49:11)

yeah.

Laurel Kassor (49:14)

cool. Okay. Let's leave baby Sol to her devices and talk

Sol (49:18)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (49:20)

about five-year-old Sol instead. so much of your chart is swayed up over here. So this next moment for you, you already mentioned it in some of your previous stories, and I was like, you're getting ahead of us, girl.

Sun in Aries in the second house here. So we're almost 5.

It's like just before a fifth birthday. This likely does have to do with dad, pretty directly. The sun does represent dad. you already mentioned that there's complicated relationship that had happened with him.

so we're looking at the Sun in Aries in the second. So this would likely also have to do with the body, have to do with soothing, have to do with anchoring, because that second house quality, Pillar 2 quality, but it is the sun, so it also has to do with validation, creativity, self-expression, decision making. Aries can bring a hostile

Especially maybe a forcefulness early in life. bold, daring. It could bring a lot of anger. It could be fights, And your sun is taking a lot of heat from some of the other planets in your chart. Mars met.

Uranus, but the sun is very much having a direct conversation with Uranus. So we've got Pillar 11 back pulled in. So more like, we have to detach in some way. We have to step outside some way. It is Uranus and Capricorn in the 12th house. So again, we have this idea of there being some confusing things going on that there could be a sense of loss, of of grief.

Uranus brings a shock factor to the table. Capricorn can make it authority, which would echo the idea of this being something with dad. And then we have Chiron also in a square. And Pluto is also being aspected too. so there's a lot of tension happening here, and we can pull and point to like, that one's this and that one's this. But what can what do you feel comfortable sharing with us about this period?

Sol (51:18)

my gosh,

this is probably the most because I had a s certain level more awareness being 5 years old.

Laurel Kassor (51:26)

Yeah, like literally so early.

Sol (51:28)

Yeah, it's so young, but this is the probably the most traumatic memories that I have, some of them anyways, when my brother was born, and there was we had already again moved like I don't even know, probably ten times by that point.

Laurel Kassor (51:42)

Mm.

Sol (51:43)

And

There was a gang that stole my mom's car and

Laurel Kassor (51:48)

Whoa.

Sol (51:49)

my dad was being accused of hurting somebody. And my mom left him with my newborn brother. But I I would

Laurel Kassor (51:57)

Newborn. my

Sol (51:58)

have these memories of cockroaches running across in my bedroom and being really scared and

And I'm just getting flashes in memory. When I climbed up on the roof and my mom's got a newborn and I'm trying to chase our little cat and my mom doesn't know what to do. there was so much fear. I we went into a battered women's shelter right around that time. Left my dad. And it was really, really, really hard. Yeah. And I was like, fuck this shit.

Very much so.

Laurel Kassor (52:28)

I wonder if so a couple just quick empirical data points to pull out. the battered women's shelter is very twelfth house. It pulls in the Pillar 12 that which can represent the overlooked, the forgotten,

Refugees, people who have suffered, shelters. also I'd mentioned that this brings up the Chiron in cancer again, in the sixth house. So this almost it gives this this repetitive problem around violence that has been on repeat and bodily violence is that second house quality to it, and also that cancer is not just mom, but it's also like, we gotta find a place to be safe. We gotta find a place where we're gonna be accepted. Again, it's this problem.

where who will accept us? Because it's it's not even just we don't belong with this unpredictable authority figure, which is Uranus in Capricorn making that square, right? The opening square the sun makes there brings the threat energy again. The no, we're gonna be ousted. no, we're not gonna belong. no, no unconditional love, right? It's there. So under unexpected unexpected actions.

That are confusing, that cause suffering, rooted from suffering, maybe even a quality of mental i illness in involved there and just some of the other details that might have been surrounding events. Yeah. yeah. And then there is again, we're seeing this through the sun. So what I wonder is

On one hand, did you feel motivated to make different decisions? Or did you feel like fuck that? And also the world there's so much I don't control or I don't have any.

I ca I can't make decisions about. I could f it it feels mixy too. it feels mixy.

Sol (54:09)

Yeah.

There's another memory that popped up which is fucked. I had neighbors directly next door who were all around my age and then h like up to 12 and their father would literally murder alley cats in the backyard.

And I was already scared of them, but they handcuffed me to their the balcony. and I don't know, I'm 5, 6 years old, so I don't really know

How long it was there, but it felt like I was there for hours and they, were like they had a knife out, they were threatening me, pulling on my hair, pulling on my cloth. I think they're like ripping off my clothes. I was terrified. And

Laurel Kassor (54:44)

my god.

Sol (54:46)

I remember the light they wanted my toys or something. they were very poor. We were too, but like, you know, I had some

Laurel Kassor (54:51)

The second house,

stuff, things, possessions, ownership. Okay, keep going.

Sol (54:55)

Well, I was like I promised them I was gonna give them my toys if they let me go and all

This stuff and they've they did, but there's a moment again through hypnotherapy that this came through. Actually, it was it was through that grief when I was really going into the safe to feel unsafe that I unlocked this memory of this happening so clearly. it's just like an HD. I could see it, which is crazy for feeling like I never had any memories, which I hear from a lot of people who are very chaotic and unstable childhood. But when you do the somatic work, it's there.

Laurel Kassor (55:23)

Yeah, that's common. It's a defense mechanism, a hundred percent.

Sol (55:27)

It's there, but I felt it was not safe to be seen in my

Laurel Kassor (55:32)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (55:33)

joy and having things. And I was and I became

Laurel Kassor (55:36)

And there's the sun.

Sol (55:38)

even more detached. I was like, I don't want things, I don't want people, I don't care about shit. I just don't care.

Laurel Kassor (55:45)

That is I'm so sorry to hear that Baby Yu had to make those decisions to keep herself alive and to keep herself feeling safe. You've come so fucking far, dude. I'm so proud of you.

Okay, and the astrologer within me is gotta point out that that is at Uranus Square. literally you felt the threat to your life force and you had to start making decisions around detaching from attachment.

In a lot of ways. And that's Pillar 2. that's the location. That's that sun in the second house. Toys are possessions. Also, it you could no longer own your own sense of joy. You could no longer own your own sense of like I if I make too big a impact.

then I'm at risk. I become a target. And a target is coming from this 12th house energy in a lot

of ways because again, it's the forgotten, the the were I look I listen to a lot of true crime. And a lot a very common thing that a lot of victims of serial killers and such are are the less than dead, right? this idea of these people who are easily overlooked, easily marginalized, easily written off, right?

And so what we're hearing here is that like if you made yourself of note,

your life is threatened. your ability to shine literally becomes dangerous. And we also see this activate that square, the waning square.

And those the closing square comes from the Pillar 10 family. So Capricorn, Saturn, the 10th house, right? So this is not shit you're not used to already. We just haven't met a lot of it in aspect pattern yet. But this

Sol (57:20)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (57:21)

is where our we have to succeed at per at self-protection. We have to turn this into a skill.

Starting to come online again. This isn't the first time your Chiron has been touched, right? We mentioned Chiron.

right away from your birth story. Mars made an aspect of Chiron too. And I was like, this is probably where the idea that we need to be willing to die if we're gonna learn how to skillfully navigate the liminal spaces probably came online from whatever this event is that we were referring to. But now it's getting really grave.

the development of the skill. Like it's

Sol (57:58)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (57:59)

becoming essential that we master it. And

Sol (58:02)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (58:03)

again, you're not even a full 5 years old when the awareness of this steps online for you, which is

Sol (58:08)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (58:11)

major. really, really, really major. And so this began the plot point that we know later becomes the crux of so much of your work.

But this to me sounds like the plot point that lights up this thing that's gonna need a resolution.

Around feeling safe enough to actually anchor into your own experience of your reality to make your decision

of what you want that to be like and not be in a constant state of fear and threat at the hands of others,

Sol (58:45)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (58:46)

or at the hands of unknown or unfair or unpredictable forces beyond your control. Right. And so this again, I know I'm being a little bit repetitive, but it did spark up the need to learn.

The skill of intuitively, I believe that a lot of people call this hypervigilance now,

Sol (59:04)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (59:04)

but it does become a skill for a lot of people who have to develop it at such an early age, where you can intuitively pick up on the micro nuances of feeling.

and vibe literally in the room and in a space and being able to pick up on the subtle shifts became an essential ingredient to suc to your successful survival as a 5 year old. It's wild.

How you feeling? Let's check in. I know this is

Sol (59:35)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (59:36)

we're hitting heavy themes up early.

Sol (59:38)

Yeah, I I yeah, the pattern recognition is insane. everything that I do is on the foundation of energetic integrity.

what is most structurally sound and the ways that the main character energy is like being in alignment with the truth of who you really are with energetically sound structure so that you can be seen and expanded on this foundation and all of this comes down into the

being so attuned to everything,

Laurel Kassor (1:00:08)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (1:00:09)

energy, the patterns and seeing things. And yeah, it it does come through the having to keep myself safe and protect myself. that's definitely where I was practicing that.

Laurel Kassor (1:00:19)

I can relate. I have the same, I have the same square. I have the exact

Sol (1:00:23)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:00:23)

same Sun and Aries waning square Chiron in Cancer. And it is something that at a certain point you don't even realize it's skill. Until you look back and you're like, wait, not everyone does this? Wait, not everyone

Sol (1:00:37)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:00:38)

can pick up on these micro nuances? These micro expressions? Because that's like expression is the sun, but micro is Chiron.

Sol (1:00:45)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:00:46)

And so we you and I both and other folks born in our little tiny window all share actually it's not even a tiny window because you're actually a little you're a little older than me. So I'm like the next version of this same square that comes through the following year

Sol (1:01:03)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:01:04)

later in the zodiac, but it's is about surviving, making the choice to survive by constructing.

And creating borders and rules for how to act again, Aries, via

diagnosing the micro tweaks, adjustments, fluctuations in emotional spaces. I just used a keyword from every single one of those guys, and that is what that energy is.

Sol (1:01:31)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:01:33)

and so you were 5 years old when you started building that.

skill in a really, really serious way. a pattern of self-help that would have begun maybe even an interest in self-help early. Maybe you were like listening to self help dudes like earlier or something or just was like, yeah, no, I should keep improving myself. That's right.

Sol (1:01:50)

I was like

12, thirteen years old when my cousin, who was twenty, 6 or something at the time, took me to a book club with a bunch of women who were in their sixties and we read The Alchemist, Untethered Soul like

Laurel Kassor (1:02:01)

Abraham Hicks and shit. yeah.

Sol (1:02:05)

The Secret. And I read all these books by the time I was thirteen.

Laurel Kassor (1:02:09)

Okay, that adds perfect actual flow into the next set of thought points, which happen. we have 6 and about seven or eight. These are also Aries planet, but they're in the learning house, which is why I'm like, you were reading these things that all brought in these ideas of like you are the one in power, but you're in a co-creative reality. basically those, those all the books that you just named.

have that shared through line between them in many ways actually now that I'm actually thinking about it out loud. Anyway, these these two Aries planets

would be a little bit more maybe in the school setting though, or with your sibling directly. You've mentioned to us that that was a really big changing point. So it activates all kinds of parts of your chart. So instead of just naming them all off like I have been, I'll just let you tell us what was was there anything shifting

or changing as your brother was getting older or your siblings were getting older? Because by this time they would have been a little bit older now.

Again, this is Mercury, and so we have a lot about learning. We have a lot about peers, a lot about siblings, there's a lot about care. Since the moon is still here, there's still this fighting for survival, fighting for attention, maybe even thing. So take it away, baby.

Sol (1:03:21)

Yeah, well I was probably at my fourth or fifth school by that time. I was bullied at every new school for my clothes, for the food I was that was in my lunch. I went to an all French Catholic school. My mom only spoke English.

I wasn't baptized. I was very much the odd one out. I was physically bullied by girls, beat up and I remember the wind got knocked out of me one time and I thought I was dying. And so many times I just w

wanted to, disappear, leave, not go back to the school. I'd bring my books home because I loved reading, but I just never wanted to go back to school. And, a little bit later on, my brother at that same school, the he was physically abused by his English teacher. He had bruises all over his arm. His arm was dislocated

Laurel Kassor (1:04:03)

my god.

Sol (1:04:05)

by the gym teacher. there was a lot of shit that was crazy at that school. but I managed to stay out, I think probably of a lot of it because

my s just trying to avoid things and being able to Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:04:16)

The detachment thing that you had been

developing since before you could fucking consciously think was already kicking in to be like, not my problem.

Sol (1:04:21)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:04:23)

Don't get involved, girl. Like, yeah.

Sol (1:04:25)

Yeah. I would

literally go to the office to eat my lunch. I was like, I'm safe in the office. that's what kid does that? That's so crazy. I'm like, whatever. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:04:35)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You a kid that does whatever they need to do

to protect themselves. Yeah.

Sol (1:04:41)

Yeah. There's like the kids who were in detention

and then me because I just wanted to feel like I could be safe somewhere. It was like really crazy. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:04:48)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

It's really interesting that there's also a through line coming in where you go to dangerous spaces to feel safe. the kids in detention are the bad kids. They're the dangerous kids, right? They're the bullies, they're the bad kids. And you went there to go feel safe and pe at peace. You go

Sol (1:05:05)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:05:05)

free diving, where

Sol (1:05:07)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:05:08)

there is a lot of various types of danger.

Sol (1:05:12)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:05:12)

there.

I'm sure there's other maybe even extreme sportish type stuff. I know

Sol (1:05:16)

yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:05:16)

you snowboard. I I've seen the I've seen pictures of of that, So I I'm just catching that trend, the water thing that you mentioned, you're putting yourself in repetitively putting yourself in almost drowning situations. Or potential

to drown. so it's just interesting that there's this repetition around like I feel safe in spaces where other people feel uneasy. And again, it pulls us right back to this liminal.

scary thing from the birth.

Neptune and Pluto had a conversation at your birth where we were like this is weird and scary, but cool and actually peaceful. You just kinda flow not bad. So it's fascinating to see that fall through the the narrative in various points.

Sol (1:05:57)

Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. I remember I loved reading the series of unfortunate events. Just tragic shit. I I even

Laurel Kassor (1:06:04)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (1:06:05)

started reading dream books and how to astral travel when I was seven, eight years old, literally just how do I

leave and I I remember walking around the neighborhood at my at my cousin's house we were we were staying for a little while in another place. Honestly it was probably more than twenty 6 places that we lived, but this we spent a couple of months at my cousin's house and I remember walking around the farmland, just astrally exploring it at night.

Laurel Kassor (1:06:32)

Mm-mm. Okay, so some crazy things that you're saying that are just like we've been waxing a lot of philosophicals, but some direct symbol symbology here. cousins. Pillar 3 Mercury, third house, boom.

The astral traveling, the reading books about astral traveling, the wanting to leave, the escapism. This is Mercury in a tight square to your Neptune. Remember when we were talking about your birth story, and I was like, something very important came online in regards to channeling at your birth, learning that there's you can be safe between the realms was what Pluto and Neptune were talking about.

Sol (1:07:08)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:07:10)

What the Mercury square to Neptune.

Is that process of I don't fucking get what's going on? I don't know what's happening. that start at birth, where baby was like, ugh and then over time you've been like, it's kind of cool here in this in in-betweeny space. wait, data comes through. I can get on board with that. Okay, yeah, I think I can accept this. it's a little weird and they might reject me if I talk about it. that could be one of the early things. we didn't talk about

Sol (1:07:38)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (1:07:38)

it, we rejected it, we didn't want to believe it.

It it was hard to believe in some way, maybe that we could do these things or these things were real, or maybe you I don't know if you grew up reading

Sol (1:07:46)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (1:07:47)

Harry Potter, but feeling like wow, I can

Sol (1:07:49)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:07:49)

do that, I know I can do that, but obviously you can't do that, right? Coming up and all this stuff. And so I can imagine that at this time there was a lot of embracing almost of your own inner magic, but again, this need to keep yourself safe.

And keep it on the low. But the learning of it and the going forth into the learning of it makes so much sense. especially

since your Neptune is on the ascendant, which means it's straddling the 12th and first house. So it is so liminal. it's so liminal, but it is again connecting the big dot that we had pulled earlier about holy moly, the way that your whole soul syllabus is orienting around this lesson of.

Of actively channeling impactful movement and ideas and

things that can actually move needles from unknown unknown spaces, from lamental spaces, from these in-between spots. it's really, really, really fascinating. Also to the bullying, your Mercury is in a opening quincunx to Pluto. Pluto has shown up every time someone's mentioned a lot of bullying in

Sol (1:09:02)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:09:02)

their life, across multiple dimensions. This was also really

interesting is is everything in our life. I cannot stress enough. Everything in our life shows up in our own chart. Including your brother being abused by his teacher. that's your story from the lens of you the sister, the sibling. But you have Mercury in Aries in the third house.

Opening quincunx to Pluto in the 10th, Pluto in Scorpio in the 10th, okay? We're pulling together the sibling theme, the school theme, the authority theme, the violence theme, and the abuse theme. All in that

one story, and that's just one sliver of this particular fractal.

That you experienced indirectly via your brother, but there are definitely

Sol (1:09:46)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:09:48)

other things that you did experience very directly through this. And this could have been very much the direct bullying that you were receiving as well for intelligence, for not being able to explain yourself or not doing well on tests or some shit like that because you were maybe alternative thinker, or maybe you were a super nerd and that and other kids were making fun of you for that, like they're.

Of different things and combinations where on one hand you're being called stupid, and on the other hand, you're being called a brown noser because you're trying too hard for the teachers or whatever. So it's almost like there's a can't win quality that was at this time, and yet this fuel to learn. But the learning was definitely connected to the Pillar 12 escapism.

the next one is in the same realm. It's the Moon but there's less like active pinging all around, and it's more directly tied back to Saturn and also sextiles to

Ceres and Jupiter. anything Jupiter touches, it expands and it blows up and it puts a magnifying glass over. And

Again, Ceres is the planet of Pillar 2 which has to do with ownership and possession, a sense of sovereignty, a sense of stewardship, the body, again, we've mentioned now the moon's

Sol (1:11:01)

Okay.

Laurel Kassor (1:11:02)

here too. So when whenever we see Pillar 4 support link up with Pillar 2 anchor, we actually see a lot of

Womenhood like has come up a lot, getting your cycle for the first time kind of stuff, or learning

Sol (1:11:11)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:11:14)

about rhythms of hormones or that kind of stuff, but it definitely

Sol (1:11:17)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:11:18)

links care and resources together

there is also this other element coming online of like, well, fuck you. I can do it myself.

I'll just learn how to do it myself. I will anchor myself

Sol (1:11:26)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:11:32)

in information, Ceres in Gemini, that is useful in the sixth house that will expand Jupiter.

my abilities, sixth house to care, cancer, So is there anything that comes to mind around

that time frame

Sol (1:11:45)

what age is this?

Laurel Kassor (1:11:46)

probably close to eight

Sol (1:11:48)

You know what?

I don't even know where I lived. I don't even know what school I went to. I don't I really don't have anything clear about that time. I just know that it was super chaotic with moving constantly. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:12:04)

That checks out. I mean, and I was looking

at that too. Ceres rules your fourth house of stability,

But when we see Ceres is in Gemini, conjunct Jupiter, that actually tells us, there's a lot

of large moves, a lot of darting between senses of stability

Sol (1:12:19)

Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:12:19)

it makes sense too that this might be a period where there was just a lot of surviving.

Sol (1:12:26)

yeah.

That is for sure. There was a lot of feeling like that. And you know, I tried mapping out like where where did I even live? What school did I go to? what teachers I've there's so many holes in it, even talking to my mom, because it's just so chaotic that she doesn't even remember some

Laurel Kassor (1:12:42)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sol (1:12:45)

of the stuff. And so Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:12:46)

It's really consistent with having that Neptune on the ascendant. that it's just like how I move in the world is ambiguous. It's a mystery to me, even, you know? Like I am my own mystery. yeah,

Sol (1:12:56)

Yeah.

That is cool. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:12:59)

Okay, let's zoom ahead several years 'cause it does

And we're gonna bring this back in a second because I know it's a really big part of your story, but believe it or not, there is nothing going on at age 14 when you took the hero size dose of mushrooms. Not a planet in sight, which

Sol (1:13:13)

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Laurel Kassor (1:13:16)

to me means that it's a spin-off of other events that we've already covered. That

Sol (1:13:21)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:13:22)

14 is exactly when the fifth house developmental age starts, which has to do with solar themes like creation and choice and decision making, self-expression. So even though it doesn't show up as its own planetary plot point, it is the re it as you and I know you haven't even shared it. I just like

And putting this together on my own, I guess. but I can pretty much guarantee you that that event, that canonical event for you is a spin-off of one of these earlier canonical events and a r resulting a a rising action off of the the hero's journey starting there. Which makes sense with the Sun in Aries, does it not? this is that would literally connect to when you were

right a before 5, or right at that 5 moment, and started to be physical survival and not just mental and emotional survival anymore. And then the choosing to take the giant dose of mushrooms was almost like pushing yourself to

to the edge of going under where it could be dangerous to f whoa, to find yourself. Whoa, whoa, whoa. so and also Neptune

Sol (1:14:31)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:14:31)

rules alternate states, substances, drugs. Yeah.

Sol (1:14:35)

yeah. That was so life-changing though. I was hospitalized with panic attacks and just it was super intense and my depression was just instantly cured after eating seven I think it was even more like nine grams of mushrooms. it was crazy. It was meant to be like a large dose for five

Teenage girls. And I didn't know that. I thought it was we were each given our own bag, so I ate them all. No, we weren't. I had the bag. It was

Laurel Kassor (1:15:00)

You were each given your own bag? you weren't

Sol (1:15:06)

meant to be for all five of us. I didn't know that.

Laurel Kassor (1:15:09)

Okay.

Sol (1:15:09)

So I ate them all by myself.

Laurel Kassor (1:15:12)

my god, dude, dude, dude,

That's wild. That's so cool.

Sol (1:15:17)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:15:18)

I'm gonna have to have you back just to talk about that experience.

Sol (1:15:21)

It's just crazy.

Laurel Kassor (1:15:22)

So the next big formative plot point, we're in our 20s now, and this

is actually our girl Ceres, our lovely, lovely lady. So we're hearkening back to the moon stuff. So we just that was the last memory point that we were talking about, and it was more of the same of that survival energy here.

Now Ceres is looking at the moon and at Saturn. That that's who she's got contact with, and she's with Jupiter. So this might be 22, 23. And you know what? Your your Ceres and your Jupiter came so close together. early 20s, we'll just call it early 20s.

that they're probably gonna be felt as one giant force together. So this energy would have likely a lot to do with you really becoming aware of the somatics of the body, of the rhythms and the beats of your

Of your routines, of your practices, of your work. This is in the sixth house. So the sixth house obviously goes with the 6 Pillar. And that tends to align deeply with okay, I gotta start app applying this stuff I've learned. I've gotta start being of service, being of use. This aligns with the the apprentice age of life, when you're like starting your career journey and whatever. So it has a lot to do with training and skill building. It can be also very

Very

health-oriented because maintaining health is very much a series of routines and doing things again and again and again. there's a lot of other things that this part of the chart can represent, but we're going to assume it has something to do with learning as well.

we got Gemini involved, we got Jupiter involved. So we have both of the learning accesses involved here, starting to study our bodies, starting to study our bodies' rhythms, starting to get a really deep understanding of how we want to actually put ourselves to use, maybe in some way. yeah, and it would have felt like maybe a big disruptive, the positive type of moment. But yeah, take it away and we'll we'll unpack it from there.

Sol (1:17:26)

Yeah, well

it's I was kinda getting into biohacking a little bit then, very loosely. But I was like

Laurel Kassor (1:17:32)

Biohacking

is literally so sorry to immediately interrupt you. Immediately, but I'm sorry. Biohacking is so to me, Ceres in Gemini in the fucking sixth house. It's like, how can I make the how can I connect the dots quicker, which is so Gemini, on the rhythms of my Ceres, my body, the sixth house, and

Sol (1:17:54)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (1:17:54)

make it all more efficient, the sixth house. what? Are you kidding me, dude?

Sol (1:17:56)

Nice.

Laurel Kassor (1:17:59)

It writes itself, it writes itself. Okay.

Sol (1:18:02)

Yeah, I did like

several yoga teacher trainings as well. I was like anything that I did, I wanted to learn it to the max. I

Laurel Kassor (1:18:12)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (1:18:13)

I got into body talk. I had a b body worker and it was incredible the stuff that was awakening. So then I like I went and did the body talk training and then,

I did like this Reiki training and then I I was like apprenticing with anybody who would let me be around them. That's what I was

Laurel Kassor (1:18:27)

Yep.

Sol (1:18:27)

doing.

Laurel Kassor (1:18:28)

Sounds exactly correct. Yep, yep, yep. my gosh. The body talk is also outrageously serious in Gemini in the sixth house, apprenticing

Sol (1:18:38)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:18:39)

and getting certifications in all of these different schools of thought and that are literally body-based. it sounds like all of them were so physically body-based, which is

Sol (1:18:50)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:18:50)

So heavy on my theories on Ceres it's nuts, and turning them into skills and turning them into use and really implementing. Again, I'm like, I got this theory around the sixth Pillar being like such a tactical intelligence, And your Aries moon. Also very much about like

Put it in motion, put it in motion, keep things moving. If we keep it moving, then we're safe. also, by the way,

Yesterday I was driving and

I was thinking about Chiron Square the Sun in Aries with the shared aspect that we have and I don't think I realized I internalized this idea that if I keep it moving I'll be safe. Just keep it moving. let's not slow down.

Life goes on, And I'm wondering if

one, if that was something that you can relate to, And two if this would have been a point where you realize that hey, slowing down is actually a dope as shit. And we should hurry up and learn everything that we possibly can about how to slow down better, because that will

Sol (1:19:44)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (1:19:46)

anchor us to the ground.

Sol (1:19:48)

I was definitely doing that at that age, but I was just also thinking, I was telling Anthony yesterday about maybe the second or third massive hero's dose of mushrooms that I had when I was just, still around 14, 15. I just got this download that the meaning to life was just to walk and just to keep moving. Don't stop. just get like it was just this massive thing. Just keep walking.

Laurel Kassor (1:20:12)

it's very Forrest Gump He must have had this aspect too.

I made the joke the other day, the big bang is an Aries because it has to be, because it's fucking impact, dude. and it's the start of all things. it's when everything got set into motion, and then I was like, yeah, wait, motion.

Motion, motion. Motion is the meaning of life.

if the heart stops, life stops. If the brain stops firing, also life stops.

Sol (1:20:35)

The ocean doesn't stop.

Laurel Kassor (1:20:37)

It flow the ocean of Pisces, Pillar 12, flows right into the individual singular force of motion that Aries becomes. Right?

it's like a highbrow Aries philosophy to understand and see the way

Sol (1:20:48)

Uh-huh.

Laurel Kassor (1:20:49)

that motion

and movement is inherently tied to being alive and being

impactful and making a wave. it's funny because we talk about making a wave and it's an interesting saying because it is a saying that is in unity with both Pillar 1 and Pillar 12's connection to each other, which all of this is to say this tangent I've gone off on, you are

are a unity of Pillar 1 and Pillar 12 philosophy. if you just keep moving, you can make a wave, but you have to ride the waves to make a wave. it's really an interesting thing you got going on there. and it seems like at this time we were getting to a point where we were starting to make it make fucking sense. And we were starting to see the aha's and the bigger picture and the detachment that because remember this pi this aspect

that we're talking about, which is the moon and Aries in the third in a waning sextile to Ceres and Jupiter in the sixth.

The waning sextile has a Pillar 11 vibe, so it has a big fat disruptive quality to it, which early in life created a very big distance for you to be like, uh-uh, I shall not be personally impacted here. Blah. It's an interesting thing between Aries and Aquarius energy, because they actually collaborate.

to together. And so what we see here is again part of that energy coming in to be like, I can remove myself far enough to make a personal impact.

Cool. it's real it's almost ironic, but it's it's also the fuel necessary in order to dive that deep all at once. full body full embodiment into not just learning, but practicing, learning and immediately implementation too.

almost instantaneous downloads and integrations

Sol (1:22:42)

yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:22:43)

you were learning how to create the somatic intelligence, body intelligence that you didn't get to formulate early.

So it could have felt like you were just a natural when really the work came so long ago to create the space necessary to immediately be that open to receive. And you know what? Makes me wonder if part of the reason why you in addition to the literal traumas themselves

defaulted to not remembering was to almost keep space open and available to create the embodied philosophical foundation

that could hold the deeper skill that you were to develop.

as you would uncover your own memories, to hold them, you would have needed to have some of this intelligence already ready to go to receive and not like collapse, right?

Sol (1:23:35)

Totally. Yeah. Like a lot of people who have a lot of

trauma, they just have this like, it's it's unbearable and they can't see beyond it. And so how useful it was to really only access those things in context and and to really integrate them. And there's many circumstances where I would just sit with an oracle and just like

you know, like me at a festival or just sitting at a friend's house was having friends over for tea and there's just this powerful woman. I'm thinking specifically about Unity Grace and we just sat for 6 hours and I just downloaded I didn't even know what, but all of this information of how to navigate different realms and and I would just spend time and be around people and there'd be this

body to body energetic transmission that was so beyond me needing to read or learn anything. I never needed to study anything. It was just it was a transmission from many elders that I sat with and very masterful teachers that, I say like I would apprentice with, but the oftentimes it was quite short. And I would get what I needed very, very quickly.

Laurel Kassor (1:24:40)

Well, that's how the volume of educators you were able to move through. I'm you literally you were like moving through an osmosis thing and that's on some Neptune shit up there. But remember this is also in a quincunx to Saturn.

These are both of these planets, your Ceres and your Jupiter, both in this opening, Quinkunst to Saturn in Capricorn in your first house. So the idea of like you sitting with elders and everything being very fast is the first ha Pillar 1 is fast. Gemini is fast, Ceres is slow. So what's interesting is that you sit with them. There's not a lot of motion. The whole fucking thing on Ceres is that she's about halting.

the motion of Aries, not completely just sculling it down. Enough to anchor. the way that the zodiac runs is that there is, this the Pillar after the one before it is a foil. It says, well we can't go too far with that now.

We'll run off the edge, you can't be constantly in motion

Why you doing that? You know, that's that that Pillar 2 anchor. It's the anchor, right? So the fact that you just even just describe it as I'm sitting with them. I sit with them, but we're moving fast or moving fast via download, via download, pulling from the ether, pulling from the ether. it's fast energy, but it's held in a space and hide. There's Jupiter, the mentor, holding space, holding space, creating a safe container for the body to be the conduit for information.

Ceres Gemini in the sixth house, practical information. You probably didn't know what you were downloading, not because you didn't know what you were downloading, but because it wasn't coming through in words or ideas. It was coming through in technique

Sol (1:26:23)

I didn't know.

Laurel Kassor (1:26:24)

and process.

Sol (1:26:27)

embodiment. I didn't know what was happening. I was like, this is cool, but what the fuck? I had no

Laurel Kassor (1:26:31)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (1:26:32)

idea. But then my life was transforming. I was having so many my gosh, that's gonna open a whole can of worms, I won't go into that. But so many experiences that I yeah I couldn't share with people. Let's just put it that way.

Laurel Kassor (1:26:45)

Mmm, fascinating, yeah.

Sol (1:26:47)

Yeah. But then now

It's like it's just it was the foundation of everything that I do now.

Laurel Kassor (1:26:55)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm. So fucking juicy. I know

we could spend a million years sitting in that sauce right there. Cause I can just feel how much like experience and adventure lives in that part of the world for you, or that part of your timeline for you. With Jupiter's there. come on. Come on. He's awesome. We love Jupiter. But let's talk about Chiron because that was gonna be roughly where we land the plane.

there'll be one thing we'll talk about after Chiron, but Chiron is gonna make a lot of connections. It's gonna pull together a lot of different pieces. It's also going to anchor and

Complete the aspect patterns for several of these placements because remember your chart was really front-loaded, which means a lot of the essential plot points and foundational plot points occurred very early, which means depending on where some of the other planets are, we might also reach some sort of resolution.

of them pretty early too. which doesn't mean that we never deal with them again. It just means that okay, we would spend the rest of our life building on whatever the conclusion finger quotes was. So Chiron here is about age 26 ish. It's towards the end of this apprenti apprentice finger quotes phase of our life. Chiron is in cancer

And it's in the sixth house. So to me, this is the most direct thing that you could have named was when you unlocked the memories of your birth. I we know for a fact that that is a all something we've already learned about you that is connected to looking at it all through this fractal lens here.

But there's probably some other stuff that also happened here too. we know you were practicing your skill. We know you were deep in the process of becoming a practitioner. We know you were unpacking because you had built the foundation to receive the downloads and the information of your own story to start making sense of other people's stories, et cetera, et cetera. But what we didn't mention when we were talking about that up front was that Chiron is now gonna at this point in time.

Also complete the waning quincunx, so the Pillar 8 connection between Mars and the North Node, there, and the square to the sun. So this

Despite there being a lot of revelation and a metric fuck ton of healing going on simultaneously because a waning trine to Pluto is in effect here too. And the trines are cool. This would be about like

Really exploring the depth of your own healing potential. So there's the there's a nice element of wow, this was a complicated time because a lot of powerful embodiment and healing was going on. But we're gonna talk about the harder thing because I'm just juicier. And the harder thing is something around survival again and safety comes back into play.

At this point in time, you're looking at Mars through Chiron's lens. So you are, and reminder that Mars is in Aquarius, it's in the first house, so and it's with the North Node. So we're pulling in this feature of really transmuting, which is that waning quincunx.

Of really transmuting some sort of wound, some sort of pain, some sort of threat. something that feels dangerous and violent potentially, or forceful potentially, or aggressive, potentially. again, that we got all this Chiron essence happening here, too. So there's this idea that it could be something to do with.

The skill we're learning, facilitators, other practitioners, potentially clients, maybe, if student I'm I'm going at at it like from the student learning angle. the again, the intern angle. okay, yes, something is p yeah.

Sol (1:30:52)

I almost got kidnapped.

Laurel Kassor (1:30:54)

What?

This is well, okay, and Okay, don't go into every detail. But I before you even

Sol (1:30:57)

It's a very long story. I'm not gonna go into every detail, but I

Laurel Kassor (1:31:03)

start, let me just acknowledge and remind everyone, I said we weren't gonna go into the Neptune part of it, but Neptune has to do with vanishing, okay? And it has to do with disappearing, so please continue.

Sol (1:31:12)

I was at the end of a relationship. I wanted to do everything on my own. I was very much cut it was like a real crash and burn ending.

skin was gray, I was empty, but I was also just going into that hyper independence.

And I had this RV and it was an old 1977 Vanguard. It was so cool. I would love to because it didn't have a microwave and the chairs with the TVs and everything set in stone. Cause I wanted to make it my own and gut it and like I literally made

Laurel Kassor (1:31:41)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (1:31:42)

this cool desk and all these things. Anyways, I wanted to do everything myself and I needed some things fixed and I was like, I'll just watch a YouTube video and figure out how to do it

Laurel Kassor (1:31:50)

Yeah.

Sol (1:31:50)

myself.

So crazy that I did go to a trade school, but I have no idea how to fix a car. I didn't even know how to change my tires, okay? So, anyways, I end up at this place where this guy is like gonna help me. It's quite a long story, but basically there was this mobile mechanic I found on Craigslist. And he came with his wife and they were looking at it and they're Yeah, we could totally fix this, but we just gotta find

a place where we can do it. I don't have a garage or anything. So call up this remote, closed down, not like a trailer park. Well I guess a trailer park, but not like one that people live in. It's just only for vacation. And so there wasn't anybody there. Cause it was off season. But we get it's very horror story. It's in the middle of nowhere.

Laurel Kassor (1:32:28)

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. It's giving very horror story vibe, right? It's very horror s I can picture

the whole thing. Keep going. It's a good keep going though. I'm watching. I'm sad.

Sol (1:32:43)

Ever so one day rolls into the next and he pulls out my my gosh, the suspension. there was all this stuff that he needed to to look at and and he's like I gotta get these parts and one day's rolling 2 nice. By the way, I also had this dog that I was watching that it's a long story. I basically took this lady's dog, I told her I was gonna be back the next day, I was just gonna take her with me while they were working on the car. This thing

Laurel Kassor (1:33:04)

You had

accidentally kidnapped a dog while you were almost getting kidnapped yourself! What the fractal?

Sol (1:33:07)

I didn't have a dog.

I'm out in the middle of nowhere. I have no phone charger. I can't even charge my phone. Everything's dead. We have no food. I have no dog food. Days are going by. The guy the woman that's with him that I thought was his wife was actually also kidnapped, had Stockholm syndrome. This thing went on for like 10 days.

Laurel Kassor (1:33:26)

What? What?

Sol (1:33:30)

And I was like going as far as I could to try to get peanut butter and apples. I was also vegetarian at the time.

So I'm at this truck stop gas station just trying to get any food for the dog and I. And then I I find out this is a long story. The guy's like missing, wanted, has warrants out for his arrest in 10 provinces for murder and kidnapping and all this stuff. The woman that was with him had escaped and he found her in Alaska. And like, yo, it was so crazy.

Laurel Kassor (1:33:58)

Frick You need to send

me the fucking send me a true crime podcast about this send me the articles. will happily do my own research on this. That is crazy. Okay, so how did it resol how did you get out of that situation? my god.

Sol (1:34:14)

There was a lady who rocked up with cats in her cages, 2 canned tomatoes. Really, really weird. Finally, I'm able to charge my phone, and then I get all these messages from the guy, but I hadn't seen them because my phone was dead. So I didn't know. And he's like, Meet me over here by this tree and did it all this stuff. Anyways, tell this lady, Diane, about the whole thing. And she goes,

I'm gonna call up the boys. Apparently she worked with the Hells Angels. I was like, what the fuck? This is so crazy. I

Laurel Kassor (1:34:41)

This is a crazy story.

Sol (1:34:44)

know, I know, I know. So then I didn't know she was calling them, but I just now had my phone charged because I was charging it in her RV and I called the police. And anyways, this whole thing

The the police come and try to find h him. They patrol the land, but he gets away. But then the Hells Angels came, they fixed my R V and I go took a ride with this lady.

Laurel Kassor (1:35:05)

Every time I

hear about the Hells Angels, they're always up to some very good Samaritan shit. I swear to God, every time

Sol (1:35:09)

Like they literally were just helping me.

Laurel Kassor (1:35:11)

I hear I'm like, they're really nice people, aren't they? Damn. They're very helpful.

Sol (1:35:18)

Yeah. So basically they helped me. They like to fix my RV. I went with this lady. And then the guy was gone again. And then he got arrested. Because I kept calling the police back. And the second

Laurel Kassor (1:35:31)

yeah.

Sol (1:35:32)

the second time I called them back, they're like, we have no records of anything that you told us. I was like, what?

Laurel Kassor (1:35:37)

Well that's on you motherfuckers. Why the fuck would I lie about this?

Sol (1:35:40)

Yeah, I know, but it was very suspicious. And then later on, it like they said I I saw maybe 2 months later that he'd finally got arrested because I kept searching. I was in this fucking trauma bond with this lady who rescued me.

Laurel Kassor (1:35:52)

Well, of course, because you

and the lady because the lady had told you that this motherfucker had tracked her down in Alaska. Of course you're thinking he's gonna find me any minute. You'd you would be living in a constant state of of paranoia, I can imagine. Of fear, of like how do I choose to

Make this okay for myself. It's like again, an extraordinarily extreme version of some of the earlier themes. But that's the thing about our realities, and when you look at it through this lens, it's like you can really see the way those experiences scale with you. You know,

Sol (1:36:27)

Yeah. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:36:28)

you were held at at a knife point tied to a fucking attic when you were a child or a balcony when you were a child. I didn't say that I don't have to, but Pillar 12 has

to do with attics and roofs and you've mentioned those a couple of times elevated high elevated spaces so that's just interesting there but yeah so what's fascinating from a

From a menu standpoint, really. But from an astrological one at least, is that what we're looking at is this energy through the lens of Chiron. Chiron is the fix it guy. I call it the fix it guy all the time. All the time. It's in a square to your Sun automobiles. okay, auto, things that go on auto is is very Aries, things that move you are is is quite Aries. I know that some of

The Gemini stuff can get in there too, or Pillar 3 stuff, but remember this isn't that far away from your Ceres in Gemini, which is probably when you bought the fucking RV to move keep you moving. Keep your again, if I keep moving, it's gonna be cool. literally, you said that I was like, home on wheels, yeah. Checks the hell out, bruh. checks out in every sense of the way. doing it all yourself, too. It's such low-hanging Aries fruit, such low-hanging Aries fruit.

now whereas earlier in the stories, we were and you're talking about the body and the learning and wow, it was so deep and broadening. Now here we are a few years after that, and we have instead of a nice collaborative aspect with the moon, we have a very tense hard aspect with the sun.

Which brings the men into the equation. You didn't feel safe with your father. It's an echo of this earlier stuff, right? And it's new angle. So whereas before you were a

5 almost 5 year old have the like you were not equipped in any way to deal with any of that shit. Here in this situation, you had done so much more work. You had done body work at this point too, by the way. I had mentioned that in r in relation to the memories and being ready to receive those, but also your nervous system was able to keep it fucking together enough.

To do the things that you had to do to keep you alive. Right? So there's that really interesting aspect that that's showing up again and again. And this time it's showing you, hey, look at how developed these skills are. Look at what you've been able to build for yourself with the these foundational things, this ability to be able to pick up on nuances and when

to say something, when not to say something, when to appease, when not to appease, when to be helpful, when not whatever it is that you might have had to play at and let's say it play at, because this is a square to the sun. The sun has to do with performance and play. pretend. if you had to be very cunning to keep yourself safe and pretend and be a be the character he wanted you to be

For whatever time you had to do that, it makes sense that this skill was being critically utilized at this

Sol (1:39:12)

Mm.

Laurel Kassor (1:39:12)

time. And also, again, I'm gonna pull back to the Neptune opposition and also the Uranus opposition. We didn't mention it before because we were talking about Neptune from the Neptune lens, but your Chiron is one degree separate from Uranus. So the idea that this is a sudden, unexpected.

bizarro fucking story, you wouldn't believe me if I told you and I swear to God it's true, type of story, is pulling this from the y from many a thing, but certainly the

literally weird high strange that comes from Uranus, especially in the 12th house. strange is Uranus, but high strange brings in a lot of Pillar 12. and so we see this union of Pillar 11 and Pillar 12 happening where it's like

so disruptive but also it's about f getting fucking free from the prison, getting free from entrapment. the twelfth house has to do with prisons. It has to do with being held hostage. so literally. It has to do with kidnapping. It has to do with vanishing. And Uranus has so much to do with disruption and chaos. And you grew up in a constant state of chaos, it sounded like. So this

High stakes, but more of the same to an extent, Like the fact that that is a life-altering event that you just were like, yeah, this thing happened then. I remember now. Like,

Sol (1:40:34)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:40:35)

whoa, does that not tell you something about the work all of the work that you had done leading up to that point to be able

to weather a storm.

Sol (1:40:44)

Yeah. Yeah, I remember how even in that moment they're talking about being what you have to be, 'cause part of what was happening was we were like in a we were trying to rescue the other girl. So I was

Laurel Kassor (1:40:54)

Mm-hmm.

Sol (1:40:55)

actually

Pla like playing for the last couple days to keep it going because the Hells Angels wanted to come and rescue her to get her away from him as well. And I don't know if they were planning on killing him or something, but they they wanted to deal with it and not for me to call the cops, but I didn't know that. And so I was like in the center of a stakeout between the police and the Hells Angels trying to get this guy and save this woman. And everyone was really not happy with me, but

I was just like, this is fine. I know what to do here. I was actually pretty calm and I was hungry and I wanted to brush my teeth and I didn't have the stuff I needed. But like I was like, whatever. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:41:29)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

so many layers of the details, that makes so much sense. Cause again I'm hearing this repeat of like I didn't know which authorities to listen to.

Really, that was confusing for you. So I'm just making my own rules. Fuck you guys,

Sol (1:41:43)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:41:43)

I go Fuck you guys, I'm saving this bitch. Okay, okay. Right?

but we have again Pillar 1 and Pillar 12 mixing, mixing, mixing, mixing. This time Chiron being like, do it skillfully, do it tactfully, do it correctly. We got lives at stake here. And

Sol (1:41:56)

Yeah. Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:41:59)

that is to say, I mentioned Pillar 1 I associate with the hero.

energy in that. Go get a kind of energy. but Pillar 12 is associated with victims and people who need saving. The damsel in distress. And so here we go. you in a way this she represented to you the you that no one came to save from before and you were able to

I've developed the skills to be able to be the one to provide safety. This is Chiron and fucking cancer, right? And in the sixth house, where it's like my skill needs to be put to use. I need to tech I need to apply the technical shit that I know here about how to protect, about how to keep people safe. It means I might have to put on a show. There's our square to the sun. But we'll if that's what it takes to succeed, which is our waning.

square if I need to hold it together and say stoic I will I will play whatever that part needs to be I'll be the hero spy espionage like it's giving espionage and I feel

Sol (1:42:58)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:42:58)

like the chart itself gives a little bit of espionage but it's own such a unique lens damn this is fucking fascinating bro I'm like so mesmerized

Sol (1:43:09)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:43:10)

Wild. This is some wild shit.

Wow. Hell's Angels is the Pluto.

so Chiron has to do with the helpfulness thing, right?

Sol (1:43:16)

What?

Laurel Kassor (1:43:17)

But then Hell's Angel shows up. What in the story is this? And you ha it's in this trine to Pluto in Scorpio in retrograde. I have this ongoing fucking thing. None of your planets have been retrograde. Pluto is your only planet who's retrograde in your chart. My theory on retrograde planets that we see again and again is that they do exactly the thing that they're supposed to do.

But they do it in a way that you would just not expect it to happen. And they do it in some kind of weird, alternate. Well, yeah, we got there in the end. Not how I would have thought, but we got there in the end. And I think that that's the whole fucking point of the retrograde. It's about going retroactively over what you thought you knew, seeing something in a different way, and reprocessing the information.

the waning trine, another aspect that we share, but I have the year later version of it.

Says that there is a natural flow and understanding between skill and technique and being able to move through details and the process of going into the deep, nasty bits of the underworld to facilitate a healing.

process. And obviously that is so clear with the work that you do. but also we're seeing this here represented with the Hell's Angels, weirdly enough, which is like

They know what to do, you know what to do, everyone is like no one what to do. It's a kind we're smoothly operating here together based on again espionage tactics. we are going undercover. We are going to skillfully explore our options to s to go in and bad guys are fighting bad guy for the good. And so there's this weird, interesting thing going on here. And all the while.

to you somewhere in your consciousness, whether it was conscious or not, because obviously these processes happen in events around us that are reflecting inner experiences as within so without.

But also there's a subconscious quality to the way this energy is all being integrated that we are not privy to. And that is this experience is telling us this was almost like the fucking initiation right that closed a loop on, okay, you are now a sanctioned practitioner of being able to literally go in and help.

people hero their way out of their own distress because you were able to not just do it with yourself but at the same time serve another and there's our Pillar 6 6th house coming in and the opening quincunxes that have been on in your chart and there's so millions of many's of millions of manies of different freaking detailed specifics that you have shared with us. It is really rockin' my world like blowing

my mind rocking my world

wow that's incredible thank you so much for sharing you're so fucking fascinating

Sol (1:46:09)

Wild wild world.

Laurel Kassor (1:46:14)

Truer words, never spoken. Hmm. So good. Sol!

Sol (1:46:18)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:46:19)

this has been incredible. Obviously, everyone stopped gushing about how wild this is. Before we part ways today, how can people...

Work with you. Tell us where we can find you.

Sol (1:46:31)

Yeah. I have an online community called the Living Room.

it's

just it's totally free. It's not a pitch, it's not a funnel. It's literally just I realized that I just want to create a space for leaders to come and have conversations. And we also do this practice that I call marrow, which is just really accessing all of the gold in the depths and then bringing out on the other side greater capacity to be leaders in this ever-changing world. So

Yeah, you can find me on Instagram, Sol Saint Germain. but we usually do events once or twice a month and just live only. But I really think that's the place that I would like to invite people to to come and just experience being met. not in a place where it it is actually this like funnel It's just like

a space for leaders. This is really I'm really, really passionate about creating this and being able to have a a space where we can have conversations about things that I think are really necessary. And so I don't know how exactly it's going to evolve, but right now it's really potent and yeah, something that's very deeply on my heart.

Laurel Kassor (1:47:40)

I love that. I love that.

very sun in Aries. That's Aries loves to be first, he loves to pioneer. And so

Sol (1:47:45)

Yeah.

Laurel Kassor (1:47:46)

creating the space for there to be such soulful engagement and connection.

between leaders is critical at this juncture, I really think, in time.

Sol (1:47:54)

Yeah, you know, I've been a part of

so many masterminds and gone on events and stuff and it there's just this something that when when everything has this intention of being a funnel into something, it just has an undercurrent of influence, which is fine. I love it. This is great, I love marketing. I love

helping people go on a journey, but I also really crave this space that is more neutral and emergent. I'm all for cultivating the emergent field. We're fucking brilliant humans. We don't need to be in someone else's funnel in a mastermind in order to access our greatness and a lot of the work, if you've ever had a s session with a somatic therapist, that depth of like

what we access is so intense but when we do it in community it's a whole other thing. It's just a whole other experience that w I think we need to create more of and I really part of my

a vision of little tendrils of little aliveness that are coming through in this transition that I'm in right now in my life. I just feel like being able to create spaces online and in person ideally, but my Sun has been online for almost 15 years. So but just creating spaces for people to be met in community.

as a way, as a culture, as a way that we actually support one another and to normalize that. And yeah, I just I wanna see that more common in many different types of communities, not just, New Age or healing people, who have on online personal brand. And so

That's part of what I'm envisioning for this next chapter.

Laurel Kassor (1:49:31)

I love that.

it's really timely. Of course it is, for Uranus in Gemini. Consciousness moving into an elevation of of the mind, an elevation of networking, an elevation of community.

we're reaching an age and a time where we're no longer waiting for the invitations. We're creating the rooms, if you will,

Sol (1:49:50)

Yeah, for sure. I'm so excited.

Laurel Kassor (1:49:55)

Me too, me too. Thank you so much for sitting with me Coulda talked to you all day. And I know we barely even skimmed the surface of the of the depth of the multitude that you've lived and moved through and that you practice with your clients. So I just thank you so much for your time and your openness.

Sol (1:50:12)

Thank you so much, Laurel. It's been so

fun.

Laurel Kassor (1:50:15)

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